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Adikhajuria (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Noticeboard for Regular Editors ABOUT Admins

Has there ever been a suggestion for a noticeboard specifically for regular editors only to discuss and even take action against less-than-honest Administrators. It seems to me that there should be a way for regular users to simply deal with issues with Admins in such a way that cannot simply be blocked by other Admins. There should even, in extreme cases, be a way for regular editors to have Admins demoted. I believe that this would create a much more fair and democratic sense of checks and balances on Wikipedia that is much needed in the increasingly hostile and unfair atmosphere of the site. This problem seems to get worse every year and there really does need to be a way for regular editors to keep things fair. Years ago I made the suggestion of "term limits" on some noticeboard, which was aggressively shot down. I simply ask that a mature, level-headed and non-petty Admin takes a serious consideration to this idea.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 02:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

@Deoliveirafan: This should be covered at WP:ADMINABUSE. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi there, I am member of the Discography WikiProject and while I edit discography projects I always turn to this, however it has became dormant. I beliebe this should not by any means be dormant and should be an active guideline, discographies should be similar so as they are easily recognised from article to article. Can someone help me make this active again and also help me make it more of a guideline or standard for other discography pages? I have no idea how to make it active again and since hardly anyone patrols/watches this page I got no response there. SilentDan (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@SilentDan297: Please see the note at the top of this page: "this page is for discussion about the village pump only". A better page would be WT:COUNCIL, possibly WP:VPM, but WT:ALBUMS is possibly more relevant. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Apologies, I will start the discussion on one of the suggested pages instead, thank you. SilentDan (talk) 20:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 11 December 2014

Please replace the line

[[Category:Wikipedia noticeboards|{{PAGENAME}}]]


[[Category:Wikipedia village pump]]

Sardanaphalus (talk) 16:58, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

  DoneMr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 06:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 13 January 2015

Please address formatting issues which mean that part of opening paragraphs are obscured by the page tag infobox. (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't see that any opening paragraphs are obscured. At Wikipedia:Village pump (all), I do see that the right-hand end of the second box (Other help and discussion locations) is off screen: this is in Template:Village pump. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:38, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Reverted the 2nd box... I should have caught that. It was an old edit by Sardanaphalus who has no concept of smaller screens. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 16:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. My screen is 1280px wide - I should not have lost anything by your edits to Template:Village pump, but I did. Where were they discussed? Not here, and not at Template talk:Village pump either, I'll warrant. And yet again, comparing two versions is damn-near impossible because of your obsession with rewriting all the code to suit your own preferential layout. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Reverted back to old format. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 01:24, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Inter wiki needed for Punjabi language wikipedia' village pump pa:ਵਿਕੀਪੀਡੀਆ:ਸੱਥ


When I needed to communicate on Punjabi language wikipedia's village pump I could not get the interwiki link at all (or I missed it in some way?). With lot of difficulty I could locate their village pump at pa:ਵਿਕੀਪੀਡੀਆ:ਸੱਥ. Punjabi wikipedia does not seem to have WP:embassy page too so I would recomond adding and keeping visible their wiki village pump. thanks

Mahitgar (talk) 01:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Gender reporting

 – This is the page for talking about the Village Pump. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Linking to disambiguation pages.

 – This is the page for talking about the Village Pump. Redrose64 (talk) 06:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Village pump image

I propose adding {{Village pump image}} to each page of village pump. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 04:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Time Format

I had my time format set to 12-hour. Out of nowhere, it changed to 24-hour format, and I now I can't find it in the options. Also, the global clock disappeared for a while. Amaury (talk) 23:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki interface and Redr

You are invited to a discussion at MediaWiki talk:Move-redirect-text#Redr to help determine consensus in regard to whether or not to use the {{This is a redirect}} (shortcut is "Redr") template to apply {{R from move}} automatically to redirects that are left behind from page moves. Happy holidays! Paine  12:44, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Link Wikipedia:Village pump Project with this Project

Kindly provide inter wiki link to Sindhi Wikipedia project or link it to this Wikipedia talk:Village pump, I did tried to link but this error shows "you don't have permission to link this article"...--Jogi 007 (talk) 13:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

TED speaker challenge

 – This page should be used for discussing the Village pump itself. CabbagePotato (talk) 07:31, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Alesta (album)

 – This page should only be used for discussing the Village pump itself. CabbagePotato (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Filled edit box discouraging edit summaries

Does anyone else feel, as I do, that the fact that the edit box is occupied by type (particularly with the new longer IP numbers) means it is hard to see where you are supposed to put the edit summary and is discouraging editors from leaving them? Sometimes I am exasperated when I can only use three words before running up against the limit when the existing address has taken up nearly all the space, and I've been here quite a while. A new editor might not think you are supposed to put anything in this box. Britmax (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

It's a particular problem when editing on a not-very-smart phone. PamD 08:06, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Ankit kumar Cricketer

Page Name Ankit Kumar History:-Ankit Kumar born(30may1996)Rewa Madhya Pradesh.he has State And India u-19 selected And Indian Railway cricket tem.this pleyar pleying Mumbai Maharashtra .State u-16 tem ,A frest matach pleying wankhede stedium Mumbai ,Gujarat vs Mumbai u-16 And top scoring 167*just 121 ball And wicket 3/45 test matach, Ankit pleying two international cricket cup sauth Africa vs India And Bangladesh vs india, A frest sauth Africa matach pleyed msore stedium sauth Africa 2013 a scoring is well 93*just 53 ball wicket 4/56 one day matach, And Bangladesh vs India 2015 cuttak Orissa A top scoring 213 just 167 ball wicket 5/110 ,

Bio #Not shwoing — Preceding unsigned comment added by CricketInformetion (talkcontribs) 13:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Slow down the archiving?

We have so many RFCs lately, especially in the Policy and Proposals subpages. I have used {{subst:do not archive until}} to prevent the bot from archiving a discussion too soon. Shall we slow down the archiving from 7 days to 14 days? If not, what else shall we do about the number of RFCs? --George Ho (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

IMO, RfCs and anything else that needs closing should use a semi-permanent DNAU (10 years) which is removed after the close. That makes far more sense than keeping everything longer. Even 14 days would not be long enough if it takes 15 days for a closer to show up. ―Mandruss  04:57, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
10 years or 10 days? 10 years seems too steep, and some closers would overlook the message. George Ho (talk) 05:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
10 years. The time is not meant to expire. If the closer does not remove the DNAU, any other editor can do so. It's unlikely it will sit at the top of TOC for long before someone realizes why and removes the DNAU. Note that I suggest 10 years because that's the default and therefore the easiest to code; it's a (relatively) simple and easy-to-remember {{subst:DNAU}}. If the default were one year or 6 months, that would be fine too, but it isn't. ―Mandruss  05:24, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, {{rfc}} should generate {{subst:DNAU}}, saving us that step, but that's a separate proposal that probably belongs at WP:VPR. I suggested it once on an article talk page and got no response. ―Mandruss  09:03, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Hey, look. It was suggested at Template talk:Rfc#Do not archive until in Dec 2014. It didn't gain wide attention, so there wasn't a consensus to insert it. --George Ho (talk) 11:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
That's interesting. Well I already have one proposal active and I try not to wear out my welcome at the Pumps. A couple of proposals per year is about my limit. Anyway, it makes sense to wait until the use of 10-year DNAU in RfCs becomes widely accepted, which is not at all certain. ―Mandruss  11:59, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't know if I would support the slowing down as it could still mean archiving of discussions that aren't closed, though it would probably help for now, but I think I prefer Mandruss's proposal. I'm just interested because I've been involved in a discussion that was archived without being closed, so no consensus was ever implemented across any affected articles (and I'm actually quite sad about it!). anemoneprojectors 10:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support for slowing down the archiving. I'd also suggest making the bots archive depending on the count of talk page entries / their length and not just plainly the date. --Fixuture (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to 2017 Wikipedia & Sindhi Wikipedia awareness workshop and meetup in Karachi

Dear , All Wikipedian living in Pakistan, You are cordially invited to one day workshop "Wikipedia & Sindhi Wikipedia awareness workshop and meetup in Karachi", starting in May 2017, you may contact JogiAsad, for details see, follow Sindhi Wikipedia Facebook page..Thanks..سنڌي وڪيپيڊيا (talk) 12:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm putting this suggestion here because it applies to the Village Pump.

Instead of having different sections for type of suggestion (policy, proposals, idea lab, etc...), I think that the Village Pump should have different sections for each section of Wikipedia that the suggestion applies to (user pages, welcoming new users, talk pages, blocking policies, etc...). Not only does the idea itself make more sense to me, but with the system that the Village Pump has now, it can often be unclear which section someone's suggestion fits into (also partly because of vague labels for each section), which may prompt some to put their suggestion in every section that they feel their suggestion MIGHT belong in. Also, the new system would make it easier for people to determine if their suggestion has already been made or not. By the way, if this suggestion is in the incorrect section, feel free to move it, and I'm sorry, but there's not a specified section for proposed edits to the Village Pump. (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Question. How many "sections" are you proposing? Please elaborate more. Jason Quinn (talk) 18:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Call for clarification

The introductory to the Wikipedia Village pump, in which one sees the five sections, says that this page should not be used for discussions. Should this section not also mention that the Village pump's sub-sections are for discussions and that the phrase "not for discussions" only refers to the title page? After all, each of the five sub-sections do seem to me to be areas where discussions take place. Wikipedia proposals and Wikipedia Ideas Lab. are probably the best examples of this. Vorbee (talk) 19:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump says:

This page is not for discussions. Please use the table below to find the most appropriate section to post in, or post in the miscellaneous section.

That seems clear to me. Four of the five sections start the description with "To discuss". And clicking any of the sections will show lots of discussions. It's hard to imagine users thinking they aren't allowed to discuss there. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Has miscellaneous always been empty?

Out of curiosity, I just had a quick look at the box headed "Miscellaneous" but it was empty. Has this always been empty? If so, I wonder about the point of this sub-section. Vorbee (talk) 14:25, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Where is the box you refer to? I couldn't find an empty box headed "Miscellaneous". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:52, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I was referring to the blue text by a circle with a question mark in it, but I see that there now are topics for discussion in there. Vorbee (talk) 08:09, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


Is this a good place to start? --LUTENTE DUNBAR (Dance with Wolves) (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

No, try WP:TWA. — xaosflux Talk 04:32, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

List of Masses by Anton Bruckner

Before moving Masses (Bruckner) to List of Masses by Anton Bruckner I made mistakes, i.e., I blanked Masses (Bruckner) and its talkpage, and put its content into a new page List of masses by Anton Bruckner, which has been deleted in the meantime.

The move of Masses (Bruckner) to List of Masses by Anton Bruckner is now correct, but, because of my mistakes, that of the Talk:List of Masses by Anton Bruckner is not. Its should content the last revision of the Talk:Masses (Bruckner) before my mistakes of 1 August 2018.

Could you please fix it? Thanks in advance, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Meneerke bloem: Why is Masses capitalized unlike List of masses by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and List of masses, passions and oratorios by Johann Sebastian Bach? It seems against WP:LOWERCASE. If it's only because your account couldn't move over List of masses by Anton Bruckner at the time then I can fix it at the same time. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
It was indeed because my account was not allowed to move it over List of masses by Anton Bruckner at that time. Please fix it too at the same time. Thanks in advance. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@Meneerke bloem: Done. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Female composers from Ukraine

Hello, I tried to create a subcategory Female composers from Ukraine under Category:Composers from Ukraine. It did not appear directly under the subcategory Male composers from Ukraine where a space for it exists. Its sitting further down on the page in Pages in category "Composers from Ukraine". I don't know how to move it. Could someone help with this? Thank you. Nicola Mitchell (talk) 18:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Nicola Mitchell: This is the English Wikipedia. You are referring to pages at Wikimedia Commons. You created commons:Female composers from Ukraine. That is a mainspace page at Commons and not a category. You have to create commons:Category:Female composers from Ukraine. You can request deletion of commons:Female composers from Ukraine with {{speedydelete|G7. Created by mistake instead of [[:Category:Female composers from Ukraine]].}} PrimeHunter (talk) 18:30, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Is there an instant messenger service I can use to get help? I used to teach English and study skills I also know a little HTML. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas 82 34 (talkcontribs) 12:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Doom 3: BFG Edition

Why isn't mentioned that DooM I & DooM II are included on the disc (Xbox360)? Or the differences between (for example) the ports? My English is OK, but I'm a bit afraid to add such a big portion of information.. Anybody? Oxygene7-13 (talk) 18:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

This page is for discussing the Village pump. I've copied your comment to Talk:Doom 3: BFG Edition. the wub "?!" 00:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Village Pump?

Shouldn't "village pump" be considered a proper noun, i.e. "Village Pump"? I believe I've seen it capitalized when referred to. I make the same observation about "help desk". There is a village pump somewhere, but the specific Village Pump; likewise a help desk vs. the Help Desk. I realize it may be too late to change this, but it still looks funny to me. Thanks. –Roy McCoy (talk) 05:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I've since noticed "the Teahouse" vs. "the village pump". This is so clearly inconsistent that I suppose it's practically too difficult to correct it. But could someone please inform me on this, whatever? Thanks. –Roy McCoy (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


Fristable I want to thank you dear Editors for all your efforts and contributions in wikipedia
I have a request that wikipedia should promote itself by inserting the " Mode night"
which permet the use of wikipedia by a dark background as other plateforme like Twitter and Youtube.
Thank you.--Carnegie6 (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Look under your Preferences->Gadgets menu for "Black" Jim.henderson (talk) 14:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Database error

I can't seem to make main-space edits or previews. Anyone else having this problem. GoodDay (talk) 23:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Using as a reference

Does it work? I'm not sure. Ominae (talk) 09:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ominae: generally no. See its section at WP:RSP. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 03:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 5 May 2020

Please adopt the version at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(all)/sandbox, which adds the new WMF tab. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 03:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

You already did it with your edit to Template:Village pump that is transcluded here...pls refresh your browser. --Moxy 🍁 03:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Reactivating request, since this was not in fact done. Sdkb's edit to Template:Village pump added a link to the WMF page in the header, whereas this edit request was trying to add a transclusion. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
So add =WMF= {{Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)}} as the 5th entry to Wikipedia:Village pump (all) correct? Will need admin --Moxy 🍁 05:07, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Done. ~ Amory (utc) 10:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 17 May 2020

Please change {{villagepump}} to {{villagepump|other=no}} in the wikicode. This will remove the unnecessary box below the header. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 09:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Isn't this exactly where that box is useful? It's not unnecessary, it's full of helpful links. ~ Amory (utc) 09:51, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
@Amorymeltzer: It's useful at WP:Village pump, but I think the only reason it was included at WP:Village pump (all) was that it was previously hardcoded into {{Village pump}}; it gets in the way of the table of contents there. But I don't have super strong feelings about this, so if you want to keep it, no worries. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 10:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. It seems that this is going to need some conversation before it gets implemented. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 02:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata link from mobile page

Over last week/s the wikidata link if article had a related wikidata page has disappeared from mobile page? What happened and will this functionality be restored? Newm30 (talk) 10:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Appears to be fixed. Newm30 (talk) 11:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

External fonts

Hello. I have been using different fonts for some text, for example my signature uses segoe script font. But I only can see the effect if I have the font installed on my local device. I am searching for any template or any way that will let me load fonts from some online external drive to allow all users to see that font even if any user doesn't have the font installed locally. Once I tried to link an external css for doing this, but the link tag in html doesn't work in wiki. Once I tried an template that allows only sanitized css, But I don't know what sanitized css is. Please, also explain it in some words. Thanks. ~ A. Shohag (pingme||Talk) 06:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Stop using GeoIP

This is a request for Wikipedia to stop using GeoIP and discriminate between users, based on their presumed physical location, by displaying language-inappropriate content.

The credibility of Wikipedia (I'm talking about the English language version only) depends on users all around the world being able to access the same content. GeoIP breaks this. Currently, Wikipedia uses session-based cookies to store GeoIP information; those cookies survive attempts by users to hide their identity, for example, by activating a Tor proxy. The "GeoIP" cookie provides sufficient information to uniquely identify contributors, in at least some cases (this includes my own), at least if some rudimentary further analysis is performed.

Again, Wikipedia continues sending this cookie after the internet connection changes; once a session is GeoIPed, the cookie survives and is sent through the new connection, effectively tracking people. Including, of course, people who decide to send a DNT header, which Wikipedia appears to ignore.

The implication that people outside of English-speaking countries should edit Wikipedia in "their own" language, rather than edit the encyclopedia anyone can edit, is incredibly offensive. Redirecting people to content in other languages (outside of the "Languages" tab) is harmful and divisive. I'm sure that this isn't what's intended to be conveyed, but it is what people take away from it, and it has led to severe quality problems both on and the foreign-language spin-offs.

I have made very bad experiences with the Wikipedia "community" and would not be surprised if this decision was discussed and the concerns ignored in favor of imitating commercial internet companies in their effort to reduce internet users to advertising demographics. should be the same site for everyone. A screenshot of Wikipedia should not identify users. In most of the world, being personally identified as someone who speaks out on controversial issues is dangerous.

This is in part a slippery slope argument. People have different definitions for what constitutes site "content" rather than being in some way non-content that doesn't matter. My idea is that everything Wikipedia sends is content, and none of it should differ based on a user's GeoIP data. The BBC argued that it was okay to show different selections of articles to users based on their GeoIP status, with no official way of accessing domestic headlines for a foreign IP and vice versa. I don't want Wikipedia to go there.

But it's only in part a slippery slope argument: what Wikipedia does currently is bad. It's identifying users, putting contributors at risk, collecting data that it doesn't need, sending out divisive messages, and disrupting user experiences by jarring foreign-language intrusions.

I see absolutely no convincing reason any of that should happen. If Wikipedia has a problem turning casual visitors into editors, I would strongly deny that the right approach to solving this problem is to bombard them with advertising messages sending them to this week's fashionable unnecessary "sister project".

Again, since my experience with Wikipedia and its community has been so horrible so far, I don't expect this to be taken seriously, and I cannot make any promises about following up on any discussion, or "discussion", which might ensue. This is a rare instance of someone who has left Wikipedia coming back to complain about how much of a disappointment it has been, rather than those who stayed congratulating each other on how great they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Throwaway14251 (talkcontribs) 14:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I won't pretend to understand what you're talking about (it seems somewhat technical), but I don't think this is the place for it. This page is for discussing the Village Pump. If I were to guess, a better location for the discussion you want to have would probably be either Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF). ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:35, 10 September 2020 (UTC)