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Merge with w:Requests for comment

Surely the village pump should be merged with w:Requests for comment? They seem to completely overlap. Same goes for all the subpages, ie. w:Village pump (policy) and w:Requests for comment/Policies. Note also Requests for comment has the alternative interface of w:Community portal. ··gracefool 17:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Where'd the Technical section go?

When I click Wikipedia:Village pump (all), the Technical section is blank. Of course I can go to it directly, but why doesn't it show here anymore? Ntsimp (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

These tags seemed to be messing with how the page was transcluded. Tra (Talk) 00:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect text in Village pump (all)

{{editprotected}} Text on the page WP:Village pump (all) says that discussions older than 14 days will be permanently removed from the archives. Because this is not true, I think it should be corrected. Svick (talk) 18:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

  Done Ruslik_Zero 19:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Watch list legend

I see discussion has begun on this, but I do not know the correct forum. The new underline with the in addition to the bolding for the m minor edit is especially ugly. The legend is a dumb and cluttery idea. Perhaps we can add a [hide] to it for experienced users with watchlists? --Knulclunk (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

The discussion about this is at WP:VPT#Legend. Svick (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

"Persistent" vs. "perennial"

Is there supposed to be some kind of discernible difference between "persistent proposals" and "perennial proposals"? Why on earth are their two links to two different pages about the same concept? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the page Persistent proposals is for the proposals that have showed consensus while Perennial proposals is for proposals that have been rejected several times. Maybe the titles should reflect that better.--Ryk V (talk) 22:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Little slideshow

Earlier this month, in a discussion at the India talk page, I came up with an idea to better the concept of rotational-images. The problem at hand was too many (good & informative) pictures but just two image places. The current solution is just a rotational image box that changes the displayed image hourly or daily.

But i still feel that a country as diverse as India (having more than fourteen distinct architectural styles) cannot be justly portrayed by a couple of Images, as no architectural style is greater than another and neither can one portray the other.

I suggested at the India-talk page that a little slide show be put up. The slideshow would look exactly like an image box but it would progressively change the displayed image (and obviously the subtext as well) every 5 to 7 seconds. This box may have an extra 3 buttons '<' ,'||' & '>' (previous , pause and next respectively), just in case the user would wish to manually browse and see the slide show. The pause when pressed would changi to a play button, just like the one under a Wiki Sound box.

Wikipedia has perhaps outgrown all the book encyclopedias, thanks to its wiki software. We have to maintain a balance.. by using simple software coding to enhance the Wikipedia, without making it look tacky or snazzy. I see the little slide show a useful contribution to the usability and flexibility to the Wikipedia.

The little slide show is just an idea, i want to promote it so that it becomes a part of Wikipedia.

--HFret (talk) 06:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I think you meant to post this at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals), not here. Bug 5383 may be relevant.--Commander Keane (talk) 07:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, excuse me ..Sorry. and Thank you --HFret (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

(+)-CPCA discussion page...

I can't seem to create it, it is blacklisted and I don't know quite why? Nagelfar (talk) 15:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it's the following rule in titleblacklist:
.*[^\p{L}\d ]{5}.* # Disallows five consecutive characters that are not letters (in any script), numbers, or spaces
You can ask an administrator on Administrators' noticeboard to create it for you. Also this page is for discussions about the Village pump, so this question doesn't belong here. Svick (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I have started the talk page Talk:(+)-CPCA, I think it should be ok now.--Commander Keane (talk) 01:45, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
OK Thank you for letting me know that. Nagelfar (talk) 09:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The Village Pump

First time I have looked at these pages. Note with regret the caption under the picture of the pump starts with much despised weasel words! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisk111 (talkcontribs) 06:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I have "upgraded" you to a confirmed user so now you can be bold and update the caption. Not that article guidelines apply to project pages :P --Commander Keane (talk) 07:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Text on images

What is the syntax to allow text to "overlay" an image? (Especially in a wikitable?) Thanks, Shannontalk contribs 22:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Odd Firefox text search problem

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Odd Firefox text search problem Svick (talk) 00:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Bot problem

This page is only for discussing the Village Pump, so I moved your question to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Bot problem. Svick (talk) 16:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposal: Create an "ANI" for IP's and non-comfirmed editors to use

As you all probably know, the ANI is on an indef semi-protection. Well I hope that it's kept that way. You see, I am proposeing that we creat an ANI for IP and other newbies to use, while the other ANI is to be semi-protected forever. If an IP or other editor who cannot edit the real ANI, they can post their comment at the IP "ANI" and ask that it be moved over to the real one. This page will not just be used for requests to make a comment over at the other ANI however, this page can also act like the real ANI page in the fact that if an IP or other new editor wishes to start a topic on an editor or a situation, they can do so. Any comments? this may sound a bit odd or impossible but I think that it may work.--Coldplay Expért Let's talk 00:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

This page is only for discussing the Village pumps themselves, you probably want to post this to WP:Village pump (proposals). Also, WP:ANI is not indefinitely semiprotected, it's not protected at all right now. Svick (talk) 01:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Whoa..last time I checked it was. Oh well then. I'll just strick this out. Sorry I posted in the wrong spot :)--Coldplay Expért Let's talk 01:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Categorization of Bruce Lee as "Chinese"

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Categorization of Bruce Lee as "Chinese" Svick (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Commons edit keys. Svick (talk) 02:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


{{editprotected}} Could someone please add the Portuguese interwiki pt:Wikipedia:Esplanada/tudo to the protected page Wikipedia:Village pump (all)? Opraco (talk) 16:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

  Done  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

formalize a Pump workspace?

Would it be possible to formalize a Pump workspace - maybe wp:Village pump/workspace, or wp:Village pump/ws. editors at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical) often need to make technical examples to describe templates, parser functions, CSS, tables, and etc, and it would be nice to have some common place to put the examples (rather than having them spread out through userspace).

formalizing it would just mean adding a line on the Pump headers that says something like "Workspace for Willage Pump example code is available at wp:Village pump/ws", and then creating a page at that location with a blurb telling people to create subpages for examples.

heck, if you want to keep with the whole 'Village Pump' metaphor, we can call it wp:Village pump/toolshed.   --Ludwigs2 16:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

A subdirectory is not a namespace. Probably you mean something like "[[PUMP:Technical Questions]]"? That would be a namespace. Anyway, this is a proposal, so it doesn't belong here. David Spector 13:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
errr...I said 'workspace' not 'namespace', and I do indeed understand the nature of subdirectories (which is what I was aiming for), and it's such a trivial little thing that I didn't think it needed a full-fledged 'proposal'. I was just looking for some feedback before I went ahead and set it up anyway just to see if anyone had any strong feelings about it one way or another. in that regard your response is not entirely helpful. do you think it's a good idea or a bad idea, or do you not care one way or another? --Ludwigs2 15:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Re "Persistent" vs. "perennial"

Re Ryk V's answer to "Persistent" vs. "perennial", above:

I think the page Persistent proposals is for the proposals that have showed consensus while Perennial proposals is for proposals that have been rejected several times. Maybe the titles should reflect that better.

I concur with the second statement. The first heading in Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Persistent proposals is Perennial proposals in discussion... Also "Persistant" seems to suggest "coming up time and time again and being very annoying" while perennial seems to suggest, simply, "frequently discussed". Any chance of a fuller answer to the original question? --Jubileeclipman 20:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editprotected}} Wikipedia:Village pump (development) seems to be getting use now. I added it to the VP header template, but it should be added here too, since discussions are occurring there that VP watchers should be made aware of. Equazcion (talk) 21:31, 10 Apr 2010 (UTC)

  Not done: {{edit protected}} is not required for edits to unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. Unless I am missing something. Wikipedia:Village pump is not fully protected, if that is what you mean to edit. Avicennasis @ 21:55, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
My mistake, I meant to make the request at {{villagepump}}, which is fully protected. Going there. Equazcion (talk) 22:10, 10 Apr 2010 (UTC)
My bad again... Wikipedia:Village pump (all) is what I meant. Equazcion (talk) 22:13, 10 Apr 2010 (UTC)


{{editprotected}} Please add this to Wikipedia:Village pump (all) (which IS protected and whose talk page redirects here), between Proposals and Miscellaneous:

{{Wikipedia:Village pump (development)}}

As I stated above, Wikipedia:Village pump (development) seems to be getting use now. I added it to the VP header template, but it should be added here too, since discussions are occurring there that VP watchers should be made aware of. Thanks. Equazcion (talk) 06:22, 13 Apr 2010 (UTC)

It seems ok to me everywhere. Are you sure it's not showing? Wikipedia:Village pump (all) is using {{villagepump}} anyway. --JokerXtreme (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I think he meant to transclude the contents of Wikipedia:Village pump (development) into Wikipedia:Village pump (all), not just the header. (Re-enabling {{editprotected}}.) Svick (talk) 18:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes that's what I meant, Svick. Equazcion (talk) 19:38, 13 Apr 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I see, good point. By the way, I don't think that it should be protected anyway. --JokerXtreme (talk) 21:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
According to the protection log, people who didn't know better were accidentally posting there, rather than to the actual VP pages; that's why it was protected. Makes sense to me. Maybe this could be addressed with a big orange caution notice instead though. Equazcion (talk) 23:15, 13 Apr 2010 (UTC)
  Done Those warnings don't really work. I say let's keep protection. Easier than having to fix that page every time, and it only requires changes rarely. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Redesign Request

This page could do with a reformatting. Its design isn't very efficient and the middle of the page seems too bulky. (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

If you think this page could be made better, you should say exactly what you think should be changed. Or create an account, create your own version of this page in your userspace and link to it here. Or, probably the best option, after creating your account, get autoconfirmed and edit this page directly. Svick (talk) 22:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


I asked user/admin NuclearWarfare in this case (see here, and he redirected me here,

I was trying to improve Stefano Borgonovo's article, but inadvertently screwed up reference#1's display. I tried and cannot fix it, the person herein referred to cannot as well, expert help needed please!

Thank you very much in advance - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Think I got it. There was a line break in the middle of the translated title parameter that seems to have been screwing things up. Equazcion (talk) 02:45, 15 Apr 2010 (UTC)
Oops, I mean the regular title parameter. Equazcion (talk) 02:49, 15 Apr 2010 (UTC)


What's up with the new Wikipedia logo? It's absolutely hideous in comparison to the old one. When was it decided to change it?—Totie (talk) 11:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes it sucks. The foundation thought it was time for a change I guess. But see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#New logo. Equazcion (talk) 11:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


Not sure if this is the place... but question about the new look, References are no-longer small in text size but rather are normal size text. Is this the plan to have the References normal size or is all this just a test?...Moxy (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

New search bar

Sorry, I cannot find a better place to put this, but when I quickly search with the new design, it sometimes deletes some of the letters in my search. If I am searching for "Washington", I will type the word then hit "Enter". The result will be that the last three letters will disappear and it will search for "Washing". —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 140#Search clips off last few letters in Vector; the bug has been reported (bugzilla:23498). -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Removal of material from village pump

Hi. I was looking for a post I made here several days ago and realised that it was removed, along with others, by User:Rd232. Since Rd232 is currently on a break and has blocked themselves for six weeks, could anyone else explain why the content might have been removed? Surely it should have been left in place and then archived? Cordless Larry (talk) 11:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, I found it at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/May 2010 skin change/VPT. An edit summary would have made it easier to find! Cordless Larry (talk) 11:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

An editor just included

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#An editor just included Svick (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Example "Who was the first pope?"

I recommend to change the example "Who was the first pope?" to a neutral one. Many people are irritated by the dominance of religion 200 years after the age of enlightenment. Other people have another religion and may be irritated by a catholic world view. A good example would be "How much times have the carbon dioxide emissions rised since 1900?" (talk) 07:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if it is a neutrality issue, but maybe systemic bias. Either way I don't mind if the example is changed (indeed any autoconfirmed editor can change it) but ideally the example should have few words (currently five) and a wikilink to the answer.--Commander Keane (talk) 08:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
CO2 ? Many people are irritated at how global warming is dominating the media after we knew 30 years ago how to stop it. Also there is no such word as "rised" and the question, although not making sense, includes an implication - that CO2 has risen. Why isn't this thread archived? Rich Farmbrough, 09:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC).
'How much times'? 'rised'? I think the initial recommendation can be dismissed on the grounds of stupidity. Nicander (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Update for "Development"

{{edit protected}} The previously named Wikipedia:Village pump (development) has moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) per discussion there. Would someone please update the main pump? Maurreen (talk) 06:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I've updated the main page. An admin will need to update Wikipedia:Village pump (all) to change this:
{{Wikipedia:Village pump (development)}}
to this:
=Idea lab=
{{Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)}}
Thanks. PS. Consensus for this change can be found here: Wikipedia talk:VPD#If there is going to be a new name ... Equazcion (talk) 11:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Astronomical query

Το μικρότερο γνωστό αντικείμενο της Ζώνης του Κάιπερ.

Which is the name of the smallest Kuiper belt object, which was discovered in January, 2010, from Hubble Space Telescope? --ArgGeo (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

This page is for discussions about Village pumps, you should ask this question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. Svick (talk) 19:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

New Wikipedia needs to be discarded

moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#New Wikipedia needs to be discarded Svick (talk) 17:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Asian Characters

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Asian Characters Svick (talk) 22:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Section edit links on VPA

As WP:Village pump (all) is protected, the individual sections in the page don't have edit links (which would go to the appropriate subpage were they not disabled by the protection). I wish we could keep those links, as it's a bit of a pain to have to scroll back up to find which subpage the discussion is in, then open the subpage in a new tab, and then find the discussion again to reply.

It would work to use the Titleblacklist with "noedit" instead of normal protection (as that doesn't prevent edit links), with <h1>...</h1> headers on VPA rather than = ... = to avoid useless edit links for those headers (like this like this). But I notice that all other examples of pages protected using the title blacklist are done to blanket-protect an entire subtree, which AFAIK cannot be done with normal protection, so that may not be acceptable. Anomie 18:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

My Opinion - No I'm Not Trolling Or Flaming

The new wikipedia sucks (except for the logo) but that's just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

IMHO The new wikipedia is awesome except for the logo. Cliko (talk) 12:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
That's why I never switched away from the Classic skin. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 17:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

A template shouting at me?

 – template found

Hi, when I introduce a /doc in a template, my Wikipedia starts SHOUTING at me like this:
Does anyone knows how to shut up this person? -DePiep (talk) 23:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It's this one: {{tl:Documentation/preload}}, talk there. -DePiep (talk) 19:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)



-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

for what is the /monobook.js and .css? i forgot. thx.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Modifying the way that the Village Pump is run

Hello all, I've never proposed anything on the VP before, but there is a first time for everything. The Village Dump is rather hard to navigate through, even with the table of contents, so I think that it might be beneficial to move to some sort of system like the one that they use on Wikia. This allows each topic to be on it's own page, so instead of having a page with a large number of topics separated with header 2s, there would be an auto-updating list of the open topics with links to them, the last time that they were edited, and (if we wish), the username of the last editor. Anyways, please comment, or ask questions if you have any. Ajraddatz (Talk) 03:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The drawback there is that one then cannot follow all the discussions by loading up the history page and clicking the "cur" diff link on the last revision read. It may also raise the bar for new contributors, as they would have to figure out how to correctly create a new subpage. You'll probably be a fan of LiquidThreads, when that is finally completed and forced upon us. Anomie 03:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
As an (I would think) vastly simpler, more general (in the sense that it would be useful for a wider range of purposes), and less structurally intrusive measure than LiquidThreads, if we just each had the ability to tell our watchlist
"add this page and all its subpages (i.e., any page whose name starts with the name of this one plus a slash), and in the future add any new subpages when they are created" —this is the ideal version, which allows later removing particular subpages, although it would be moderately useful even without that—
that would seem to eliminate the drawback to separate pages per topic, and be useful on this and all sister projects for tracking all subpages of a forum, or all requests of a particular ilk, and probably for other things that would be thought of. Wikibooks, certainly, has been wishing for such a thing for years, since there one routinely wants to watch all the pages of a given book, and have any new pages of that book watched automatically. --Pi zero (talk) 14:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
This discussion belongs at WT:VP. –xenotalk 14:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
"It may also raise the bar for new contributors" - Actually, this shouldn't be a problem. We can have a createbox that allows a user to simply type in the title (which they need to do already), and hit "create". From there, it can automatically preload any required "stuff". Just as easy as the current system. Beyond that, each of the individual threads can be automatically added to a category; if a user watches the category, then all of the pages in that category should also be on their watchlist. If Wikipedia doesn't work that way, then that can easily be fixed. Although I'm sure that there would be some better way to do it. Ajraddatz (Talk) 22:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Watching a category is just watching the category page itself. It doesn't cause your watchlist to tell you when pages are added to or removed from the category, let alone when pages in the category are changed. --Pi zero (talk) 19:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Then, as I said, that could be enabled (if required). Ajraddatz (Talk) 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
No, it couldn't be just enabled. Someone would have to program it first (and even that may not be enough). Svick (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
There needs to be a way, I think, of doing just what watching a category now does: watching the content of the category page, not the contents of pages in the category. As for providing category-member-watch as a separate facility, I think that would be less generally useful (and, my guess is, a bit more expensive) than the prefix-based facility I suggested (about which I admit I've been thinking for some time; I'd been meaning to find time to raising it at the idea lab, but meanwhile this thread came up and I thought I should mention it). --Pi zero (talk) 13:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
It could be enabled because to the best of my knowledge it was part of an extension, but I haven't looked into it much (if you haven't realized that already). Ajraddatz (Talk) 20:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this small discussion; it obviously isn't a very big issue. Things are working as it is, and perhaps it is better to just leave it in this case. Perhaps we could revisit this sometime in the future. Ajraddatz (Talk) 04:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Interlangs confusion

Interlangs b/w other lang VP seem in confusion. Template:Villagepump is linked to/from them and it's okay. But on this page people cannot go to many of them. It's quite misleading specially for newcomers whom we often suggest to ask this page first for their own language equivalent, I'm afraid.

Can anyone arrange to fix this situation? I guess a matrix for interlang bot should be fixed, but I don't know where it is.

Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 12:10, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Could you please clarify a bit more? --Monterey Bay (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

References not lighting up?

I am not sure this is the right place to post this, but whenever I used to click a reference, it would redirect and the reference I chose would be highlighted. Now it just redirect to it and I am lost to which reference I am supposed to be looking at. What happened? Is this for all of Wikipedia, or is it just me? Blake (Talk·Edits) 17:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Try bypassing your cache. The global CSS has been changed lately, and you may still have an old version. Anomie 20:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, that worked! Blake (Talk·Edits) 20:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Uploading images to wikipedia

A discussion on whether we should suppress uploading "your own work" to is taking place here, and I feel it deserves a wider participation. Materialscientist (talk) 22:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Then this place is probably no the best one: it's meant for discussions about the Village pump itself and is not watched widely. You probably want either the miscellaneous village pump or the policy village pump. Svick (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


It says under Technical "use Mediazilla", but it's called Bugzilla. Change it. Onyx321 (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Secure server

I've been logging onto Wikipedia through the secure server feature, which I believe has a few problems. Although it says "remember me for 30 days" or something like that, I was logged out a few times after only 3 three minutes. This frustrates me because while saving a page, I would be logged out, so the IP number is displayed instead on "Sp33dyphil" on the article's talk page. What's going on here with the "Remember me for 30 days" thing? Also, after using this feature, I found out that, if I log in without the secure server, the computer seems to reject me and log me out again. This means that I will have to be using the secure server whenever I want to edit the site. Can somebody please explain what's going on? Thanks Sp33dyphil (TC • I love Wikipedia!) 11:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Signing icon

The Wikipedia "Missing Manual", page 144, says there is an icon with cursive writing at the top of discussion pages which affixes ones signature when clicked. No such icon exists on discussion pages which I access. Has this icon been eliminated, or another mechanism substituted? At any rate, is there a way to sign without typing the tildes? Rgherman (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it. --Rgherman (talk) 16:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia violates guidelines

On page entitled 'Santa Claus' Well isn't then wikipedia going against it's own code, because while it may be truth that Santa is not real, no one can ever or has ever proved it, therefore it can not be cited, and cannot be classified as fact. So wikipedia, should not be allowed to say for sure whether he is real or not, because it hasn't been proved. (Using words such as mythological) Therefore the article is NOT written in a neutral point of view and violates wikipedia's guidelines!!! Now I believe that wikipedia MUST change the wording in the article because it violates it's guidelines!!! TheFutureGood (talk) 06:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

- Just to make a point, Santa is not real, and it can be proved, by the principle of falsifiability. Just like invisible little pink elephants floating around are not falsifiable they don't exist, therefore Santa, also, doesn't exist. Very easy. Besides, Things that don't exist can be in wikipedia, as beliefs, mythologies and superstitions all of which DO EXIST! Dannyza1981 (talk) 19:26, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Flag icon

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Flag icon. Svick (talk) 19:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Problem with the access to Commons

Dear All,

What have you changed to the access to Commons? I cannot access Commons this morning via Internet Explorer, well the other sites of wikipedia.

As when you had changed the access to the pictures, I can fortunately use the not user-friendly Firefox as a "rescue wheel" to access Commons.

May I ask you to solve this "bug" ASAP? Thanks, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

The probleme is solved. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:21, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
No, it is NOT solved. One page loaded, the very next one made IE kick out again. André Kritzinger 23:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Dots per Inch Article

There is something drastically wrong over here....could someone please fix this article seems to be a bug or hack Article: Dots per inch, in English wikipedia Thanks Dannyza1981 (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Style formatting disappearing on random pages, plain text only

Hi everyone,

Lately, when I click on random articles the Wikipedia style formatting (CSS?) is disappearing altogether and just a plain text of the article appears with the left side links way at the bottom without the formatting. I'm finding this really annoying. Refreshing the page does nothing. I dunno if it's my connection or what, every other site seems fine. Is this happening with anyone else? Is there some kind of fix. I'm on DSL. - Larry G (talk) 16:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

New Pages by New Users

Has anyone ever seen data for the number of new pages that are created by new editors? I guess "new editor" would have to be defined but could be easily defined as unconfirmed users. I patrol new pages and see that ~70% of new pages qualify for speedy deletion and 95%+ of those are created by new users. I only bring it up because if the data supports my suspicion, it seems obvious that attempting to improve the new article creation process in some way would not only help create better new articles, it might help us retain new editors who may feel bitten by having their work "deleted as quickly as possible" (possibly a new user's interpretation of speedy deletion tags). OlYellerTalktome 13:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiPedia Potential Widespread Violation of CC Licences & Copyright?

I've discovered web use of images downloaded from Wiki which are not attributed and therefore in contravention of the specific CC use requiring attribution. The copyright information in metadata attributed to downloaded images is almost always wrong as it is derived usually from the programme used to process the image. Sometimes this states "copyright" without noting such requirements, but this isn't as serious as where metadata wrongly states the image is in the public domain or wrongly states that copyright status is unknown as this facilitates misuse of images once downloaded and their onward misuse. Additionally (according to legal view obtained as a photographer) this may mean that Wiki is in breach of national and inter-national laws on copyright as the medium from which such files are sourced. Is there a process by which Wiki can attach or better still embed appropriate copyright requirements into metadata? WyrdLight (talk) 14:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

This page is meant for the discussion of the Village Pump itself, I doubt you will get any answers here. I would repost at either miscellaneous village pump or WP:Media copyright questions. —Akrabbimtalk 14:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia only cares about itself, not how material is reused by others. We carefully patrol our own content to ensure that images (and text) are either original contributions or well-marked as being the property of others. This is done as a volunteer project working as a whole. If others choose to misuse that content, such as falsely claiming public-domain status or not attributing a CC-BY or GFDL work, then it is up to the owner of the content, i.e. the person who uploaded their own image, to pursue individual remedies. The Foundation itself stays clear of that area, to be sure it doesn't become a "publisher".

If you are proposing that images hosted here be systematically marked up with appropriate license metadata, that is an interesting idea and could even possibly be done by an automated process, but you would need to work out all the technical details before proposing it. And since Commons is where most "freely" licensed media should reside, that is likely the project where you should be discussing this. Images hosted here tend to be "non-free" and used under fair-use rationales. Their owners usually have much more restrictive licensing terms - but again, we are quite diligent in marking those images as non-free, it is up to their respective owners to pursue remedies for misuse. Franamax (talk) 21:08, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Franamax. Very helpful. Some form of automated Wiki software would be an answer, but I don't have the skills to put a case forward justifying the effort, but I'll have a look at the Main page. WyrdLight (talk) 13:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Open Ireland page move discussion

After a two-year ban imposed by Arbcom, a page move discussion for theRepublic of Ireland can be entertained.

Display errors on MANY Wikipedia pages using Google Chrome.

Using Google Chrome version 14.0.835.202 m for Windows XP-SP3, in quite a few articles that have embedded images, sometime an image displays ... how to put this .... about one text line "too high". As a result, the top of the image is superimposed over the text line immediately above it. This is totally reproducible, but fortunately quite infrequent, and so far I have only seen it affect one image on any affected page. To give an example, in the Ansett_Australia article, the "1970s logo" image is affected. The problem does not happen for pages displayed in Firefox or IE7. The only other thing I can see that affected images have in common is that they are all displayed on the left side of the screen. I can put in a screen capture if it would help. Old_Wombat (talk) 09:11, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Template:Uw-disruptive4im copyedit issue

Not too sure where I should put this as I haven't posted at Village pump before but my comment at Template_talk:Uw-disruptive4im needs addressing, thanks. Zarcadia (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. - TB (talk) 21:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles which have not been edited in the longest time

Is there a list or something similar that lists the Wikipedia pages which have not been edited in the longest period of time?--Coin945 (talk) 07:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:Dusty pages Anomie 12:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks  :)--Coin945 (talk) 12:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

wiki followed

I feel that I am being hassled and annoyed by another editor, he nominated a ton of articles in what I described as "bad faith" and although nearly all of them were kept, when I complained about it, my calling it "bad faith" was considered a personal attack and I was blocked. When I read to WP:HARASS essay I felt that as it was defined this other editors actions fit the bill. I ask what then should I do if this editor is still annoying me. After the articles were deleted he followed me to another article and covered it with excessive tags and then nominated it for deletion, he messages me and starts a new thread about every pedantic detail and also makes false statements such as that certain articles should be deleted because the sources are not available to him due to a paywall or "warning" me and ordering me to stop "canvassing" any time I send out a neutral message about a rescue effort or a deletion nomination. What should I do to remedy the situation. He seems to have a pattern of what appears to me of becoming "obsessed" or "compulsive" when he wants to delete an article and has seriously annoyed at least one other editor I know of. This to me in my own personal opinion appears to be borderline "disruptive" but I was warned that I cannot describe him as such in an authoritative statement otherwise I will be blocked. I find it also unfair I was blocked without any warning and that my unblock request was not serious considered. In any case I want to avoid this user. Would my best bet be to delete this account and start fresh with a new one that he does not know of? That is all I really want, to be left alone and not followed everywhere.LuciferWildCat (talk) 05:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

First make sure you understand what is laid out in our WP:Dispute resolution policy. Then probably the first place you will want to go is the WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard. You will want to organize the dispute as you see it with links to discussions and diffs, so that editors can address specific actions and behaviors, and not just vague "He has been bothering me" accusations (I know you didn't give any of these details here because you are just asking for direction on where to take this). Thanks for your efforts to do this the right way. I hope everything gets worked out. —Akrabbimtalk 13:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes, and make sure you notify the other user in question if you post something at a noticeboard, so he can give his thoughts. —Akrabbimtalk 13:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for all your advice, and as you can see the text below is exactly what I am complaining about. All those diffs will take some time to get together, so I am going to take my time on this but thank you again for directing me at the appropriate venue. It does seem I have been preempted and now he has started a noticeboard discussion about me, what advice do you have regarding this latest development?LuciferWildCat (talk) 21:44, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I happen to be the user in question, and should note that this is one in a series of CLUEless edits this editors has made in interaction with me. Since he refuses to stand down, and continues to make ill-thought-out edits, I have regretably started an ANI about him Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 22:46, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Censorship Exceptions

Hello Village Pump! Where do I go to learn more about exceptions to the noncensorship policy, and is there a list of censored pages that I can peruse to glean commonality? I am also specifically interested in wilderness or biological articles that may have been censored as an applicable analogue to my interests. Leitmotiv (talk) 08:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Prior discussion is at:

Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh hi Andy! You're a peculiar guy. I knew it'd only be a matter of time before you'd show up. Am I unallowed to visit these other areas and educate myself? Stop being so controlling. I have a few other places I wish to go to, care to join me? Leitmotiv (talk) 16:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
So is anyone going to help? I want to educate myself. Leitmotiv (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

deleted article is back

Edward Kotlyanskiy was deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Kotlyanskiy but now it is back. Is there a policy about this? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually it looks like it was nominated for deletion, which passed unanimously, but was not deleted. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

This has been addressed on AfD talk page. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 20:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)

What do you think of this change? When MW 1.19 came out, I began having trouble that was related to the skin I was using, and until that time I never knew that it would help to tell others what skin I was using. Nyttend (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Where to go...?

Sorry, but is there a place where articles that need work/to be created are shown in a category or list or something? With all due respect, Orpherebus. (talk) 02:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but the list of requested articles is huge, and the category with pages that need work is even huger. :) jonkerz ♠talk 17:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Page ordering

Why isn't the ordering of pages at the top of each individual VP page not match the order at the top of Wikipedia:Village pump? (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I guess you are talking about why {{Village pump page header}} does not match {{Village pump}}. The former appears to be alphabetical order. Anyone can be bold and change the order, I support the non-alphabetical order at {{Village pump}}.--Commander Keane (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikitable: Need for Bi-head-ral/"Biploar" or 'Multiheadral' or a scrollable table with header in place

Concept of Bi-head-ral/"Biploar" Wikitable

Patelurology2 (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


I want to suggest the opening a page, named Wikisports. Inside there could be groups and profiles of athletes from all sports. Please administrators to consider this! --Yiannis4f (talk) 11:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American music

Can someone fix Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American music ? Archiving is broken. Something weird is going on, since setting archivebox to auto doesn't show archives, and MiszaBot is archiving to #7, without having a 1-6 ever existing. (Not that there seems to be enough activity to need to have anything archived at all) -- (talk) 07:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage

This is a general call for participation in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, a followup to WP:RFC/AAT that tries to resolve the issues that RFC was attempting to. There are a few days left in the phase where we're collaboratively building the structure of the RFC, so please take a look! Of particular interest might also be a proposal on whether we should use voting mechanics as part of closing the RFC, which could use more feedback. Thanks! —chaos5023 (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Did I miss a discussion?

This may be a really naive question as I might have just missed a huge discussion or something, but why is the top of the page different. It now says simply sandbox, preferences, watchlist, contributions and puts "talk" in parentheses next to the username. I really don't like it. Is there a way to send it back to the old way? Go Phightins! 20:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm a little confused as to why you are posting this on the talk page for the village pump... But see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Small change to the top right menu (permalink) for the post you are looking for. David1217 What I've done 01:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


May I suggest that we should show clean sheets on the stats box on the right for football goalkeepers. It seems silly to list how many goals they have scored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starter's Slitheen (talkcontribs) 17:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Lowering the archive time

Some of the village pumps (primarily Proposals, Technical, and to a lesser extent Policy) are getting extremely long. Over 300 kB, in fact. Perhaps we should lower the archive time to five days (it's currently at seven days) on VPT, VPR, VPP, or all of the village pumps. Thoughts? David1217 What I've done 20:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Due to what these pages are used for, proposals and policy should never drop below 7 days for archiving.
That said, VP/Technical is a little different, so I could potentially see it dropping to 5 days. - jc37 03:18, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't see any reason why VPP and VPR should stay at seven days—if a discussion page is getting too long, then the oldest topics should be archived. David1217 What I've done 03:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
That isn't it.
Regardless of participation level, RfCs are to be open 30 days. And other such discussions at least 7. And since the proposal and the policy pages are the most likely to have such discussions...
Or to put it another way, the discussions are more important than the archiving. - jc37 04:05, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
All right, I guess. Perhaps the solution is to instead add a new sub–village pump to take some of the load off the existing ones. David1217 What I've done 05:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Persistent proposals  : ) - jc37 05:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Broken VP transclusion caused by onlyinclude overriding nowiki

A quirk of wikitext syntax means that the <onlyinclude>...</onlyinclude> tag takes precedence over the <nowiki>...</nowiki> tag if a page containing both is transcluded (Bugzilla:9584). This is unintuitive, as editors are used to nowiki having precedence over all other tags. In addition, the unexpected precedence does not have an effect unless a page is actually transcluded.

Consequently, if a technical post on one of the Village Pump pages attempts to nowikify an example of an onlyinclude tag, it will appear to work on that particular page, but will cause the entire page to disappear from the combined transclusion at Wikipedia:Village pump (all).

Having seen this happen and be fixed before, I knew what to do when I saw it happen again just now at VPT. But to anyone unfamiliar with the error, the disappearance is baffling. If there were a way to note this quirk at the top of Wikipedia:Village pump (all), that might help puzzled editors work out how to correct this very unusual error if/when it recurs.

Richardguk (talk) 03:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Is there a place for advertisement?

Is it possible to talk about non-Wikipedia, non-WikiMedia, MediaWiki based projects around here (as these are likely to interest Wikipedians) ? --ClementD (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Only those which would help or hinder us in our goal of making the best free encyclopedia. So you may find discussion of other projects we make use of like OGG or its replacement, openstreetmap, etc. Rmhermen (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Research on contributing behaviour

Dear Wikipedians,

I am conducting a research on contribution behaviour regarding social media platforms such as Wikipedia. I developed a questionairre with the intention to reveal different motives in contributing to different social media websites. I would much appreciate it if you could help me out by filling out the following survey: It will only take two minutes of your time!

Thank you in advance,

Lester — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJJvanKlink (talkcontribs) 13:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Car glass ...

Hi there. I don't really know if I'm in the right place to ask that ... And I hope my english is not too bad to be understood. Is some one here can help me for translation ?
I'm on french Wiki and was looking here for a detailed list of car glass. I have some vintage collection cars at home and need to fix/replace some rubber seals on them and I found an english-written list without image of what I need but I don't find a correct translation for all technical terms. On the car glass page there's no list of all the windows of a car ...
If some one can help me I'll send my list by e-mail to have this translation.
Thanks a lot to whom will answer me.
--Llann Wé² (talk) 15:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

New tabs

The order of the new tab-style here should match the icons on the main Wikipedia:Village pump page. Jason Quinn (talk) 22:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

  Done. the wub "?!" 18:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


If I wanted to propose changes to the page that users get when they have successfully created their account where should I go for that? I wasn't sure whether to ask here or stick a {{helpme}} on my talk to ask and figured i'd probably get a good answer here quicker. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 20:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Common.css/Wikipedia:Main Page/sandbox

Hi I would like the following codes please change some as they copied from wiki news English I only compied them because I would like to change the header nd thought it was a nice looking header please copy them from wikinews:MediaWiki:Common.css/User:Dendodge I would really like them to be added to so I can create a new look for the header please Wikipedia:Main Page/sandbox Paladox2014 (talk) 18:33, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

yes Paladox2014 (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi could you install Extension:dynamicpagelist on Wikipedia please Paladox2014 (talk) 20:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Considering mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (Wikimedia) says "it is known to have scalability issues with very large wikis", probably not. Anomie 21:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


A guy in the Talk "Potential superpowers" under the subsection Russia cited europeans in the racist offensive way "slaves".He should be banned totally.Thanks. (talk) 09:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


What on earth is going on with the new edit links. I'm unable to either edit, or clicking the button is crashing my computer. Great change! (talk) 01:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:VE/F and express your concerns by either adding to an existing thread, or if there isn't one that is relevant, start a new thread. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


hi, i have 2 accounts on other locale wiki. It's possible to merge them in one? And i want to keep the contributions for both in the same history for newly unified account. Thanks Dani XXN (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Join the Talk:Prince George of Cambridge#Name registration (Official full name) discussion

We need more opinions of editors in order to decide on this matther -- (talk) 06:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Large, politically partisan anti-Obama ad in the middle of an article's body text

Is the community really serious about this? Did any of you actually look at this ad? You not actually plastered a gigantic ad in the middle of an article's text, but a clearly partisan ad on a site that professes neutrality as one of its core principles? C'mon, this has got to be a hacker's hoax, right? I really wouldn't care that much about small banner ads at the top or on the side of the site, but this? This has got to be someone's practical joke. Nightscream (talk) 16:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to find out where the relevant code was for that advertising. Do you, or does anyone, know? I've looked briefly for it in that article's editing window, and can't find it. Gzuufy (talk) 16:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
It was vandalism to a template included in the article.[1] Now reverted. Anomie 17:07, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
"Is the community really serious about this? Did any of you look at this? You plastered this ad! This has got to be a hoax, right?" Maybe if your first three statements hadn't been accusing Wikipedia of doing this on purpose, your later suggesting that it might be a hacker rings very false. --Golbez (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Algerian French ending up in the English Wikipedia

Please join the discussion at Talk:Communes of Algeria#Requested move 2 Androoox (talk) 02:01, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Current consensus for a specific infobox, might affect all infoboxes

Searching the Village pump

The search tools here are worthless. If I click on the search link under a section header, I get a Google search results page that lists every archive for that section. Not helpful, unless you know to modify the Google search box on the page that's produced to include what you're looking for. Couldn't this happen on the front end before searching Google? If I enter text into the  Search all village pump sections & archives  box, I get an error message: An error has occurred while searching: The search backend returned an error:, although no error is listed. I can bypass this if I enclose the search term in quotation marks; perhaps the button could add them to whatever's entered in the box? (Failing that, a note next to the box to include them would be helpful.)—D'Ranged 1 talk 22:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC)