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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

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What not to propose for discussion hereEdit

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WP:TFD#NOT

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates: Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes: Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates: If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates: Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects: List at Redirects for discussion.

Reasons to delete a templateEdit

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WP:TFD#REASONS

The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a templateEdit

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To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step	Instructions
I: Tag the template.	Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page: For deletion: `{{subst:Tfd}}` For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: `{{subst:Tfd\|type=sidebar}}` For deletion of an inline template: `{{subst:Tfd\|type=inline}}` For deletion of a module: `{{subst:Tfd\|type=module\|page=name of module}}` at the top of the module's `/doc` subpage. For merging: `{{subst:Tfm\|name of other template}}` For merging an inline template: `{{subst:Tfm\|type=inline\|name of other template}}` Other values for `\|type=` are available, see Template:Template for discussion#Display on articles Note: If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template. If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the `{{editprotected}}` template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors. For templates designed to be substituted, add `<noinclude>...</noinclude>` around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template. Do not mark the edit as minor. Use an edit summary like `Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]` or `Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]`. Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly. Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with `{{subst:Tfd\|heading=discussion title}}` or `{{subst:Tfm\|name of other template\|heading=discussion title}}` instead of the versions given above, replacing `discussion title` with the title you chose (but still not changing the `PAGENAME` code). Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add `{{Catfd\|template name}}` to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing `template name` with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use `{{Catfd\|header=title of nomination}}` instead.) TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page: `/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en-wiki.kfd.me/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023_February_3#Template:template_name.css */`
II: List the template at TfD.	Follow this link to edit today's TfD log. Add this text to the top of the list: For deletion: `{{subst:Tfd2\|template name\|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}` For merging: `{{subst:Tfm2\|template name\|other template's name\|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}` If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add `{{Oldtfdlist\|previous TfD without brackets\|result of previous TfD}}` directly after the `Tfd2/Catfd2` template. Use an edit summary such as `Adding [[Template:template name]]`. Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following: `{{subst:Tfd2\|template name 1\|template name 2 ...\|title=meaningful discussion title\|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}` You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters `\|` ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1. If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following: `{{subst:Tfm2\|template name 1\|template name 2 ...\|with=main template (optional)\|title=meaningful discussion title\|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}` You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters `\|` ), plus one more in `\|with=`. `\|with=` does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1. Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the `\|text=` field of the `Tfd2` template but before the text of your rationale: `{{subst:Catfd2\|category name}}`
III: Notify users.	Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following: For deletion: `{{subst:Tfd notice\|template name}}` ~~~~ For merging: `{{subst:Tfm notice\|template name\|other template's name}}` ~~~~ to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editorsEdit

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjectsEdit

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the templateEdit

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

TwinkleEdit

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

DiscussionEdit

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussionEdit

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussionsEdit

February 3Edit

February 2Edit

Template:Club Atlético Zacatepec squadEdit

Template:Club Atlético Zacatepec squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)

club is not active; no need for current squad template Joeykai (talk) 23:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Template:Canadian party colourEdit

Template:Canadian party colour (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Template:Party color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)

Propose merging Template:Canadian party colour with Template:Party color.
I have just come across this template, and others relating to it, and believe that its content can be merged into the widely-used "party colour" template. I understand that some users may be hesitant towards using the widely-used one, but it makes things simpler and memorable, instead of if there were party colour templates for each and every country. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Support idea but not as proposed. Eventhough the name of Template:Canadian party colour suggests it returns a color, that is in fact, not true, as it has multiple options it can return, including a color. The color template is actually Template:Canadian party colour/colour. That said, I agree that handling all information in Module:Political party is correct. This just means that any handling of this template will need additionaly to decouple the usages of this template into the more standard Party x family of templates that are used for other countries. Gonnym (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment. This merger proposal has pretty much broken tons of page this template is used on such as List of prime ministers of Canada. Given that thousands of pages are affected by this template, is there anything we can do so it continues to render properly with the tag? —WildComet ^talk 23:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment. All pages using this template are now broken because of the merger proposal. Suggest rolling back the template page for the duration of the discussion. Kiwichris (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: Despite what the template is named, it does much more than simply return a colour: it's also instrumental in the formating of election results tables, and even used to generate party names for infoboxes. Even the colour return is a bit more complicated than it initially appears, since it's also used to generate colours for common historical non-party designations, which often come in various permutations — sure, you could have Template:Party colour make Labour candidates and parties in Canada return the label "Labour" and the colour pink, but Template:Canadian party colour allows Wikipedia to preserve the precise name they ran under (which could be "Labour", or "Farmer-Labour, "Independent Labour", "Federated Labour", etc). As such, this proposal isn't as simple as just replacing one template with another; the way Template:Canadian party colour is used would require large changes to huge numbers of pages, changes that I imagine go beyond simple automation. I can see that, sure, it may not have been the ideal to have a country-specific template, or to set it up like this, but why fix what isn't broken? — Kawnhr (talk) 00:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)