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Voicing an opinion on an item Edit

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do... Edit

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.

Please do not... Edit

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
  6. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates Edit

A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways:

  • Simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section.
  • More complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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(Ready) Iraq wedding fire Edit

Article: Qaraqosh wedding fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 100 people are killed in a fire at a wedding in Qaraqosh, Iraq. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN AP News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: More than 100 people have tragically lost their lives in a wedding fire in Iraq. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose on quality, support in principle Seems notable enough, but the article is a low quality stub, needs significant work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but support on notability. First, a fire in South Africa, second in Vietnam, now in Iraq. It's pretty awful how many building fires have occurred during the month. It's getting much coverage from various news sites and the death toll is very high for notability but for now, I'm opposing this as it is still a stub. Will be happy to support once the article is expanded. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 11:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Building fires are very common and that's why most places routinely have fire stations to attend to them. Per WP:NEWSEVENT, we require "something further [which] gives them additional enduring significance." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:53, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A small fraction of 1% of building fires have death tolls of over 100. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 13:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah yes, over a hundred people dying in a building fire is certainly common and planned for.
The callousness of this comment stuns me. The Kip 16:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I actually agree with Andrew to a degree. Not to dismiss the death over one hundred ppl, but in the grand scheme of things, it seems unlikely that this event will have any long reaching impact, compared to something like the Grendell tower fire from a few years back. We (not just ITN) have become too focused on current events forgetting about the entire work not being a newspaper per NOTNEWS. There are both natural amd man-made disasters that happen all the time, but few have suffently long tails of influence to be appropriate for an encyclopedic article, and we are losing our discretion for this. Masem (t) 16:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Imagine it'd happened in the developed world. This article would be multiple times longer & have been edited by several times more people. It would've been posted hours ago. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 18:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It really depends, and I do think we need (as a whole not just ITN) to keep in mind the regional systematic bias of news coverage when it comes to unfortunate events like this. This is the whole NOTNEWS problem we have because few are looking at the big picture. Masem (t) 19:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We shouldn't copy the Western-centrism of much of the media. Had this fire happened in Europe, it'd be a huge news story. Had the Grenfell Tower fire happened in the Middle East, it wouldn't have received a tenth of the media coverage it did, and the vast majority of people wouldn't have heard of it. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nagorno-Karabakh explosion Edit

Article: Nagorno-Karabakh fuel depot explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 125 people die in a fuel depot explosion near Stepanakert, Nagorno-Karabakh, as they flee from the invading Azerbaijani forces. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Against the backdrop of the Azerbaijani invasion, 125 refugees die in a fuel explosion near Stepanakert, Nagorno-Karabakh
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 125 is quite a lot, especially in a (relatively speaking) developed region in Europe --Daikido (talk) 06:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose on quality. Article is a stub and definitely can be expanded. No opinions on significance for now, will revote later after expansion. S5A-0043Talk 07:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality. Definitely notable enough for ITN but the article is far from ready. Johndavies837 (talk) 08:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merge with the #Flight of Karabakh Armenians proposal below. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dadasaheb Phalke Award Edit

Article: Waheeda Rehman (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Waheeda Rehman is awarded the Dadasaheb Phalke Award. (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times Times of India
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Per ITNR film awards. She is awarded with India's highest award in the field of cinema. User:PrinceofPunjab (talk) 03:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A handful of paragraphs in Acting Career are undersourced (long passages w/o any source or paragraphs ending w/o a citation) Masem (t) 03:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Acting career section needs more refs and there are 3 unsourced statements in awards. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 06:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • strongest possible Oppose since when do we post minor regional awards from places like india? they hardly have any global importance. this is the first time im hearing about this and im something of a cinemaphile myself. I feel like this is another sign of the worrisome trend of indians getting access to the itnernet and then starting to ovrwhelm wikipedia with their nationalism Daikido (talk) 06:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The Dadasaheb Phalke Award is India's highest award in the field of cinema. Curbon7 (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    so? are we now going to post the highest turkish cinema award? highest russian one? Highest Nigerien one? This is absurd Daikido (talk) 06:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We also post the highest award in American cinema(Academy Award). This award is on the ITNR list meaning that notability is not for debate. If you disagree with this award being on ITNR, please start a discussion proposing its removal. If you want to see other national awards posted, please nominate them so we can consider it. 331dot (talk) 07:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's because the Academy Awards are the most famous awards in the cinema industry, I have never heard of the "Dadasaheb Phalke Award", neither have I heard any big news outlet talk about this. If we post this, might as well post the highest award in Yemeni cinema. 2601:58A:8E82:1FF0:B0D6:4702:226D:3569 (talk) 14:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I don't see where "2601:58A:8E82:1FF0:B0D6:4702:226D:3569 must have heard of it" is a valid reason to support or oppose a nomination. People in India have heard of it and they are 1/8 of this planet's population. They get some content here, too. 331dot (talk) 16:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This is WP:ITNR, so if you disagree that this should be here, I suggest you bring it up on WT:ITN per WP:ITNCDONT point 5. S5A-0043Talk 07:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This could have been easily taken for removal at WP:ITNR without the rudeness and invectives that have been thrown in. With a callous disregard of WP:AGF and WP:PERSONALATTACKs as to the nationality of other users, I urge you to strike these parts of your comment. Gotitbro (talk) 13:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Just saw that you have been trouted twice and warned thrice and more for this exact insult hurling and treatment of ITN as a WP:FORUM. And comments with derogatory slang usage such as orcs on that very Talk page do not inspire much confidence in a change of editing behaviour. I gravely suggest you desist from this. Gotitbro (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support She seems to be a national treasure, her article seems to tick all the boxes and rules is rules, eh? News coverage seems to be confined to one country but it is a big one and rule WP:ITNCDONT applies. The ITN/R agreement included the following editors who may wish to confirm their position @Dharmadhyaksha, ThaddeusB, 331dot, Neljack, AlexTiefling, and The Rambling Man:. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's the highest award for film/cinema in India. I still support it being ITNR. 331dot (talk) 07:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ThaddeusB doesn't edit much now and explains on their user page that they mainly "got burned out on dealing with nasty people". AlexTiefling hasn't edited for five years but it's not clear why. The other three editors still seem active. As for TRM, their topic ban was closed initially as "no consensus" but then there was a do-over. "Consensus" on Wikipedia is certainly "rough". Andrew🐉(talk) 10:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, as many countries have film awards. I would also argue that the Golden Rooster Awards in China whose winners don't get posted are just as important. Sahaib (talk) 07:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    "Many countries do X" is not a reason to not post this. Please nominate an article about the awarding of the Golden Rooster award. We can only consider what is nominated. Alternatively, please propose the removal of this award from the ITNR list. We also post the highest award in American cinema(Academy Award). 331dot (talk) 07:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Small nit: the Academy awards also consider non-US cinema, as evidenced when Parasite and its director won the big categories a few years back. The BAFTAs is more restrictive but also still put those. This award being the top for Bollywood absolutely should be recognized since India is the most populous country in the world. Masem (t) 16:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As noted above, Please do not "Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive." 331dot (talk) 07:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - if this is ITNR, then it should be posted, regardless of merits. --RockstoneSend me a message! 08:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To add: Although it looks like, although there was consensus to add it to ITNR, it got little notice or coverage. I don't oppose an IAR not posting, assuming we would then remove it from ITNR. --RockstoneSend me a message! 08:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Even if it isn't posted, that shouldn't result in automatic removal. There should be a discussion. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article looks good to me which is the only thing that should matter for ITNR. While the National Film Awards are on ITNR looks like they have been ignored here often, issues with its significance/removal for ITN can be taken at WP:ITNR (only serves good that non-frequent ITNR items are brought forth to our attention). Gotitbro (talk) 13:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I should point out that Variety, an American publication, published an article[1] about the award. I don't know if one non-Indian publication is enough to consider it in the news, but it's something to take into consideration. Elipticon (talk) 13:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support While I can certainly see the rationale for an IAR oppose, at the end of the day, Bollywood is huge and this award is its top honor. Makes sense to me. The Kip 16:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brooks Robinson Edit

Article: Brooks Robinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flight of Karabakh Armenians Edit

Article: 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of Armenians flee Nagorno-Karabakh after being blockaded and then attacked by Azerbaijan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of Armenians flee Nagorno-Karabakh after being the region falls to an Azerbaijani offensive.
News source(s): Barrons, Armenpress, CNN, Aljazeera, The Guardian, CNBC, France24, DW, Bloomberg, AP, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Latest number is 28,120 have already reached Armenia. The number is growing incredibly fast, as the line of cars waiting to enter is said to be 24 hours of wait time. --RaffiKojian (talk) 18:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 
"The Eternal Flame – in memory of the one and a half million sanctified victims of the 1915 Armenian Genocide"
  • This is obviously not a recent death, so I copied the wrong template. Can someone please tweak it to fix this? Thanks, I don't see where I went wrong. --RaffiKojian (talk) 18:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    you gotta remove the "recent deaths" parameter (along with the ITNR one too, since thats' reserved for yearly recurring stuff liek the oscars) Daikido (talk) 18:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe someone should create an article about the Azeri bombing of a gas station/reserve/storage that has killed mroe than a hundred people already with many more severely injured too? that happened yesterday Daikido (talk) 18:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Azerbaijan being behind it is completely unfounded conjecture at this point. Mooonswimmer 21:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose we already had an ITN heading about the conflict, so covered by the other blurb. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The other blurb appears to have rolled off.
Seems like some of the more egregious users here have at the very least departed temporarily, so I'm coming back to ITN. Support - This involves the plight of tens of thousands of people, fleeing from their homeland in what many folks have dubbed an ethnic cleansing. People are dying too; nearly 70 people were killed in a gas station explosion while leaving, which also left 105 injured; a lone disaster like that would have gotten posted here on ITN. Additionally, receiving extensive mainstream coverage. I think this outlines three out of the four WP:ITNPURPOSEs - the only issue is that it would likely be best to create a seperate, quality article. — Knightoftheswords 02:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Welcome back Knight! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait but leaning support. It's not entirely clear how big of a deal this is going to become. But early indications suggest it might evolve into a major humanitarian crisis. There are claims that most of the ethnic Armenians fear political and religious persecution with many either already heading for the border or making plans to flee. A standalone article is likely justified. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Yes, we just posted a blurb, but it has already rolled off, and I feel the blurb failed to do this event justice. This is a war that has been going on and off for the last 30 years, and it appears to be approaching its climax. There is a huge refugee crisis, and negotiations are taking place between Artsakh and Azerbaijan that will probably result in an Azerbaijani annexation of Nagorno-Karabakh. This is big news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Receiving significant coverage, and certainly has a major impact. Not 100% sure if posting now is appropriate, but it's seems significant enough at least. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 05:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment While I think this is certainly a postable event now, it may be better to wait until we have a fuller picture, especially considering the dissolution of the NKR seems inevitable at this point [2]. Curbon7 (talk) 06:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Support per mine and BilledMammal's comments; possibly combine with the Nagorno-Karabakh fuel depot explosion nomination above. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. The ethnic cleansing is more newsworthy than the inevitable annexation, but when the annexation does come there is no reason we can't also post that. BilledMammal (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose technically, as there's no specific article to bold and the 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes have already been posted earlier. Brandmeistertalk 07:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Created Flight of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians, if anyone wants to expand it to ITN quality it would be amazing! Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:12, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support extremely relevant, should be in the news. Thousands of people are fleeing and the number rises each day. - Kevo327 (talk) 08:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Ongoing This started as a special military operation which rapidly became a ceasefire and now we have a large rush of refugees. Who knows what tomorrow may bring? As this is a long-running conflict which is now fast-moving, it should be an entry in Ongoing. BTW, I happened to notice a new memorial here yesterday and took a picture which seems topical. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC) (edit conflict)Reply[reply]
  • Support Massive population flight regrettably caused by an attempt at ethnic cleansing. Having an Ongoing item would also be a possibility, although we'd need a separate article either for the timeline or for the aftermath (maybe Aftermath of the Nagorno-Karabakh offensive?) as the military conflict itself has ended. Chaotic Enby (talk) 10:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We should also have an article for the Flight of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians, given the notability and importance of the event itself. Chaotic Enby (talk) 10:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The best article to cover all aspects seems to be Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    True if we want an ongoing item, but too vague for this specific blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support but combine seems logical to also incorporate the explosion and general conflict articles into one blurb. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. WP:NPOV. Presentation is not neutral. Should be not "attacked by Azerbaijan", but something like "after a military operation by Azerbaijan". Grandmaster 13:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    ^ Yep PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    All of the statements by Europe and the United States support the word attacked, as well as most news articles, so calling it an "operation" like Azerbaijan did would actually be the opposite of NPOV. RaffiKojian (talk) 14:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As usual, they paint only half of the picture. This was preceded by several recent landmine explosions in the region that killed at least 18 people (which was one of the triggers of the offensive), so there's a question of who attacked whom first. Brandmeistertalk 14:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:RGW, the consensus in reputable sources is overwhelmingly that Azerbaijan started the military offensive, and that is how it is described in the relevant articles. Removing the blame and whitewashing, while it might look more "neutral", is certainly not WP:NPOV given what the sources actually say. Chaotic Enby (talk) 15:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is currently moot anyway as there's no eligible target article for the main page. Brandmeistertalk 17:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes#Aftermath is suitable, and Exodus of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh may also be so soon - although similar to how 1948 Palestinian exodus was renamed we may need to move it to to Expulsion and flight of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh. I also agree with Chaotic Enby that we should reflect reliable sources, who don't give much credence to Azerbaijani claims of Armenia starting the renewed conflict. BilledMammal (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The clashes were already posted once, I'm not sure subsections are also eligible as targets. The proposed blurb currently doesn't include the subsection. Brandmeistertalk 18:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Subsections are eligible, and there is no rule against posting the same article twice if circumstances warrant it. BilledMammal (talk) 18:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For context I originally named it "Flight of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians" but it was renamed. Don't have too much time myself unfortunately but I'll be happy if anyone can expand it! Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - the blurb presented is not neutral, it should not use the word "attacked" and there's also no need to mention the blockade. The discussion at the article's talk page is leaning towards "offensive" as a title, which describes factually what happened without using loaded language. This might be a significant enough story to post other than that, or perhaps it's an ongoing, since the initial story rolled off. I'm kind of neutral on that question.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've added altblurb one, although I consider the proposed blurb neutral; attack is widely used by reliable sources, such as the Guardian, AP news, and the BBC. BilledMammal (talk)
    Yes, that's much better, thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Moving from wait. There are now credible reports that people are being arrested by Azeri forces, in some cases as they attempt to flee. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Admin comment There is clear consensus to post here, and so I'd do that now ... but to what? 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes#26 September drops a reader right into the thick of things for two blurb-relevant sentences without much context. Exodus of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh is a stub. Thoughts? Is anyone up for improving one of these? Ed [talk] [OMT] 19:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - I support posting if Exodus of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh gets expanded beyond a stub. --Mika1h (talk) 20:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Law and crime


Anthony Rota resignation Edit

Article: Anthony Rota (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Anthony Rota, the Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada, announces his resignation following revelations that the individual he invited to be honored at the Canadian Parliament may have had a past association with the SS. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Anthony Rota, the Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada, steps down amid revelations about the controversial background of the individual, a former member of the SS, to whom he had extended an invitation to greet President Zelenskyi at the Canadian Parliament.
Alternative blurb II: Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada Anthony Rota resigns after leading applause of ex-Nazi Yaroslav Hunka during Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy's parliamentary visit.
News source(s): Globe and Mail
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I think we post major resignations? --Daikido (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose We should not. As Wikipedia isn’5 a local news agency, we should never include the resignation of national non-executive or non-head of office positions. Even when it is a matter of global embarrassment such as this.
_-_Alsor (talk) 19:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, if you scroll up and read the meager couple of paragraphs describing what is and what isn't to be posted here, you'd learn that this place is precisely for stuff that's 5 a local news agency - for stuff that's In the news, idk where u live but that story has been the main story in the news forthe past 2 days where i live Daikido (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment This is a somewhat interesting story in the context of international relations (Canada, Ukraine, Poland), although I don't know whether it's important enough news for ITN. (Maybe DYK?) It's certainly the most prominent story in Canada at the moment. For reference, articles on the incident currently take up three of the top four news slots on the CBC.ca website, and eight of the top nine slots on the National Post website. The article on Yaroslav Hunka is currently nominated for AfD, although it's looking like it will end in a SNOW keep. 70.181.1.68 (talk) 19:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Alternative This has become quite the major news article, per the Comment above and I think making it about the event would be better. I know that this comes as there are talks about WP:GS/RUSUKR in major contributions in this space so we should be cautious about Wikivoice but I think this would make a valuable addition to ItN MicrobiologyMarcus (talk) 20:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Point of Order The Speaker of the House might sound more major than it is, if conflated with the American version. The Canadian speaker is more like a moderator than a mouthpiece for the majority, and basically sacrifices his or her party's agenda-pushing power for the good of neutrality. It's more that the entirety of the federal government (and the president of the Ukraine) unwittingly honoured the other man than a matter of this man's resignation. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Lean support since it's dominating the news in Canada This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:53, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose if the prime minister (Justin Trudeau) resigns, then yes. Banedon (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - This has been one of the most entertaining news stories of the year to follow, but unfortunately I feel this is not notable enough for a blurb. Oh well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment All of the proposed blurbs are way too wordy. Curbon7 (talk) 06:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Courtesy pings to Estar8806, Orchastrattor, and OhanaUnited who participated in the blurb discussion on 22 September prior to Rota's resignation. Curbon7 (talk) 06:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've shrunk Alt II, but won't apologize. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Ongoing This belongs in the timeline which we have in Ongoing as there are many such incidents every day. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose (or Ongoing) Clearly not notable enough, the Canadian speaker resigning might sound like a lot but he isn't as powerful or influential as one would believe. If Trudeau resigns, now that would be notable. Chaotic Enby (talk) 10:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Certainly an interesting story, but doesn’t rise to the level of ITN, especially when the Canadian speaker isn’t quite as importsnt as their US equivalent. The Kip 12:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Still oppose Same reasoning as last time (not significant enough to hit ITN). OhanaUnitedTalk page 13:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Clean Support, I feel like Zelenskyy's visit being involved in the original fiasco and Poland and Russia joining in on the outrage both push this into the 'international' category. Orchastrattor (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: David McCallum Edit

Article: David McCallum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-26/david-mccallum-actor-dies-90s-cbs-ncis/102900304
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish actor well known for The Man from U.N.C.L.E. and NCISHiLo48 (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WP:POPULARPAGE. This line of thought is arguably becoming disruptive. The Kip 00:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Moot The article looks fine, has had over 150,000 readers already on the news and I expect more today. RD is irrelevant and insignificant in such circumstances. Note that the other Man from UNCLE, Robert Vaughn, was snubbed by ITN and his views are naturally spiking again regardless. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    One, ITN does not worry at all about page views and continuing to argue along those lines is becoming disruptive. Second, 99% of the RD noms for actors fail not because of OTN but because editors have failed to follow the high sourcing requirements for BLP (typically lacking refs for each role they have performed). This should not be happening, but that's definitely not ITN's fault. Masem (t) 19:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Burkey Belser Edit

Article: Burkey Belser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Designer of the Nutrition facts label Thriley (talk) 00:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose - Article is significantly lacking citations mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I worked on the article and added citations from the WaPo obit, but there are still some sourcing issues.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 14:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed, duplicate) Banjska attack Edit

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Articles: Banjska attack (talk · history · tag) and 2022–present North Kosovo crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The North Kosovo crisis deepens after a Kosovo Police officer is killed and another is injured during an ambush on their patrol in North Kosovo, after around 30 gunmen storm a village; three of the attackers are later killed in a shootout. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (1), The Guardian, UPI via MSN, (Al Jazeera)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: As per below nomination comments Abcmaxx (talk) 08:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) North Kosovo crisis Edit

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Article: 2022–present North Kosovo crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (1), The Guardian (2), UPI via MSN, Channel News Asia (Singapore)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: With the recent Banjska attack this is all over the global news and frequently too, ongoing crisis that has significantly escalated recently Abcmaxx (talk) 10:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, while individual updates don't meet the ITN notability threshold, the sustained crisis absolutely does since the recent escalation. Chaotic Enby (talk) 10:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - If the Banjska attack is notable enough then it should be nominated for a blurb rather than ongoing. The article is not receiving frequent updates (before the attack the last new update was on the 31st of July), and it is far too soon to tell if this will be an event worthy of ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Judgement tells me that a crisis going on since 2022 and not previously in Ongoing shouldn't be added after all this time now. Gotitbro (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Frequent Updates is required, and this was not at all frequentky updated before the attack. Also, the crisis has been ongoing since a year ago, and if so, it shouldn't suddenly be Ongoing just because of a attack. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    True, it could be a better idea to have the attack itself (including its related developments) as a blurb maybe? If so then I'll retract my vote. Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose posting this to ongoing The 2022–present North Kosovo crisis article hasn’t had enough updates to warrant being posted to ongoing. However, the Banjska attack article may merit a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Banjska attack might be notable enough for a blurb, but this article isn't getting the updates needed for ongoing. The Kip 19:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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September 24 Edit

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Banjska attack Edit

Article: Banjska attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Kosovo, one police officer and at least four militants are killed after an attack and siege in the village of Banjska. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The North Kosovo crisis deepens after one police officer and at least four militants are killed after an ambush, attack and siege in the village of Banjska.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Going off suggestions from the above ongoing nom and nominating this for a blurb. Notable escalation of the crisis, Reuters describes it as a siege while other sources use "standoff" or similar. Image is of the Banjska Monastery, where the militants barricaded themselves. Open to modifications to the blurb. The Kip 19:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait. Would be nice to wait on conformation on the casualty numbers, and subsequent events will really reveal if this is a "notable escalation" or more of a small flare-up. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support given the geopolitical implications, especially altblurb1 putting it in context. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Matteo Messina Denaro Edit

Article: Matteo Messina Denaro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A decent amount of sourcing work is needed, and there are a few redlinks that might need to be removed. Mooonswimmer 12:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Tigst Assefa Edit

Article: Tigst Assefa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tigst Assefa (pictured) breaks the women's marathon world record at the 2023 Berlin Marathon. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Precedent: Previous record-breaker in this category was posted at ITNFuncrunch (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support but I think editors should seek improvements here, namely on her personal life (pre-career stuff). Breaking these marathon records is not frequent (the last was 2019) so this seems right to include. Masem (t) 21:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, not everyday we see such a record! Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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(Posted) RD: François Glorieux Edit

Article: François Glorieux (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Brussels Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Musical multi-talent from Belgium, pianist, composer, conductor of an American band and a British symphony orchestra (among others), founder of four ensembles, teacher in many aspects, arranger for Michael Jackson, - all this and more, and had no article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Terry Kirkman Edit

Article: Terry Kirkman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2023/music/news/terry-kirkman-dead-the-association-1235733822/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American musician and songwriter best known as a vocalist for the pop group the Association. Article is in pretty good shape but needs a few sources --Tdl1060 (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • The Discography and Nominations sections need more sourcing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article probably shouldn't have the full discography given that it's the band's discography (not solo) and is covered in that article. We don't usually include entire band discographies in individual band members' articles. The singles discography should definitely be removed as it's unsourced and because Kirkman wasn't in the band for some of the mid-70s singles. freshacconci (✉) 13:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree the discography should be reduced or eliminated. It seems identical to the discography of the band. As for the nominations, the Grammy.com reference already covers all six nominations, even if that's not currently clear from the table layout. 70.181.1.68 (talk) 17:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've gone ahead and removed the singles, which seems to be the major sticking point. freshacconci (✉) 18:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) OSIRIS-REx Edit

Article: OSIRIS-REx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: OSIRIS-REx's capsule (pictured) containing samples from the asteroid 101955 Bennu successfully lands back on Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft mission (capsule pictured) successfully returns samples of asteroid Bennu to Earth.
Alternative blurb II: NASA's OSIRIS-REx's capsule (pictured) containing samples from the asteroid 101955 Bennu successfully lands back on Earth.
News source(s): Space.com, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

 Masem (t) 15:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - Massive achievement, successful conclusion of a 7 year mission PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on notability Significant successful mission of encyclopedic interest. Also considering we posted the launch, arrival at the asteroid and sample collection at the asteroid to ITN, it seems only natural we post the conclusion of it returning. The article does have quite a few cn tags and some unsourced info though. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above. Easily notable scientific accomplishment. The Kip 17:25, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Extremely notable accomplishment, with many scientific prospects. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Seeing a lot of coverage of this. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Per most of the above. Successful achievement (Mission accomplished) and very notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 01:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There are still some unreferenced paragraphs and the capsule retrieval is referred to in the future tense. Stephen 01:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support when ready. A huge first! Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posting. Nice work. Please update the image since the Latvian PM blurb has rolled off. --Tone 06:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Nic Kerdiles Edit

Article: Nic Kerdiles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/former-anaheim-ducks-forward-nicolas-kerdiles-dies-at-age-29-1.2011620
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Hockey player. Article is almost ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support, article looks good to go now after fixing a CN tag. Klinelet me clear my throat!contribs 17:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Looks good. Terrible loss for the hockey community. Don't ride motorcycles - it isn't worth it. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The stats table at the bottom (which needs a source) indicates that the subject has represented his country internationally, but his achievements are not mentioned in the prose. His getting drafted by the NHL in 2012 should be in the main prose, too, with refs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Added citations for statistics and draft results in lead. Not sure on how to add his achievements.. Klinetalk to me!contribs 15:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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RD: Dieter Schneider Edit

Article: Dieter Schneider (lyricist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.radioeins.com/liedtexter-dieter-schneider-gestorben-14196129/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German lyricist. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Mike Henderson Edit

Article: Mike Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/mike-henderson-steeldrivers-dead-obit-1234830058/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Singer-songwriter. Discography needs some citation but everything else looks fine. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted as blurb) Blurb/RD: Giorgio Napolitano Edit

Article: Giorgio Napolitano (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Italian president Giorgio Napolitano dies at the age of 98 (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, NY Times, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italian politician who served as the president of Italy from 2006 to 2015. The article is in decent shape --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 19:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • support, the event is all over the news and the article is in good shape, also this should be a blurb in my opinion.
4me689 (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The article has quite a lot of unsourced info. Sourcing needs some work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Article needs some fixing up ref wise. Once article is in top shape, I'll support a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb in principle Napolitano was one of the most significant and transformative figures in Europe for much of the last two decades, very similar to Berlusconi. Once the article's sourcing issues are fixed up, I would certainly support a blurb. Curbon7 (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose blurb, support RD - Presidents in Italy are largely ceremonial, so less notability than if this was a Prime Minister (for example, a lot more people know who Georgia Meloni is rather than Sergio Mattarella). I also don't think we should automatically blurb the deaths of former heads of state. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PrecariousWorlds, You are correct that the role of president is typically ceremonial, but did you read this particular article? It clearly states Napolitano [...] transformed a largely ceremonial role into a political and executive one, becoming during the years of his tenure the real kingmaker of Italian politics. Curbon7 (talk) 20:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That [...] states that he was 'often accused by his critics'. While he did increase the authority and control of the President in Italian politics, what you're referring to was simply an opinion rather than a fact, and for a large part of his term the prime minister had more influence and control over Italy. Even so, I still don't think the death of a former head of state should automatically be rewarded a blurb unless their death was extraordinarily notable (Elizabeth II) or marked the symbolic end of a historical era (Constantine II of Greece). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Napolitano served as a president of Italy for nearly 10 years, and had a huge influence in European politics. most non-royal heads of state/government usually don't serve more than five years. 4me689 (talk) 20:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb as Napolitano's influence in politics was much above that of the average Italian president, making this blurb-notable in my opinion. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Oppose blurb, changing as the level of subsequent coverage doesn't really justify a blurb, despite his influence. Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Article does not clearly establish what type of influence or legacy he had over Italian politics. We can't have a blurb without some clear sources along this line. And obviously, far too many CNs to consider even RD posting. --Masem (t) 20:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I will stress: there are only two lines that speak to his possible influence, and they are in the lede. This should be an entire section if we are going to post a blurb. Masem (t) 21:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Napolitano is easily a big enough name to receive a blurb on the news page. TheCorrectPanda (talk) 21:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD and Blurb Probably the most famous person in modern Italian politics. Satisfies notability requirements for blurb.Pyramids09 (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’m not opposed, but I’d say Berlusconi was at least a little more well-known. The Kip 21:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd say Berlusconi was vastly more well-known. Nigej (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ditto regarding the two replies above. TheCorrectPanda (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb Influential political figure for an extended period of time, especially compared to the average President of Italy. The Kip 21:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I am going to defer to the judgment of my fellow editors with regards to a significance elevated beyond that of a ceremonial president (though I do hope we do not repeat the error like that of the recent Singaporean presidential posting). Gotitbro (talk) 21:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb—Per Curbon7 et al. Haven't checked the article's quality, so I'll defer to the judgment of my fellow ITN regulars on that criterion. Kurtis (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb Obviously huge politician. A communist who became a president of a neoliberal "democracy". Daikido (talk) 06:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose blurb, support RD - Honestly I'm not seeing the level of coverage that would made me think this is blurb-worthy. Nigej (talk) 06:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can you clarify what you would consider an adequate level of coverage? I see plenty of front-page coverage in major global news. Curbon7 (talk) 06:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
eg the BBC. World section - not there. Europe section - not there. "Old man dies" sort of story to me. Very suitable for RD. Nigej (talk) 06:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support blurb. He was key in not letting Berlisconi become prime minister. In Italy, when you routinely see Prime Ministers who weren't elected by people, who weren't any party leaders during election campaign (see Matteo Renzi, Mario Draghi), the role of president is important, because he designates new Prime Minister. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment As long as the article is missing several references, it is not appropriate either for a blurb or for RD. Otherwise, it seem that the consensus is moving toward a blurb. Fix the references first, please. --Tone 09:15, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    !voters here are hand-waving on importance. As I've pointed out, I only see two sentences, both in the lede, that attempt to explain why he had a influence on later politics of Italy. There needs to be more about this in the article, not just asserted in !votes, before we can make a blurb. Masem (t) 13:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb because the story isn't big enough to justify one. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb as long, of course, as we have filled our daily quota of minor Indonesian politicians. complainer 17:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb never heard of him before now. Fdfexoex (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb on quality support once improved. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Nowhere near the level of name recognition as Berlusconi. Not receiving the kind of coverage outside of routine reports that would demand a blurb.Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD, Oppose Blurb on quality The article should be either close enough for RD, or just RD only. Blurb is not likely, but if article is brought to top shape, then may accept changing to support blurb. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD Article is cited well enough for RD, and article seems to be in good quality, Neutral about blurbs. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD/Neutral on blurb I've long held that death blurb should be reserved for particularly notable heads of state/government; Napolitano arguably meets this, but quality concerns remain This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb on the basis that the death itself is not notable, and we shouldn't discriminate who had a more notable life than another. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    that someone has a more notable life than someone else is just the discrimination we have to exercise in deciding who has blurb and who has RD. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I suggested on the talk page scrapping RD blurbs altogether unless its linked to a standalone ITN event. Anyone who has a Wikipedia article is notable anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A good idea is to do a RFC on RD blurbs on The talk section of this page, but most ITN topics are based on news coverage not in the notability. 4me689 (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    update, I've opened an RFC On the matter here 4me689 (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm not supporting a blurb, but if one is posted, then the bolded article should be Death and state funeral of Giorgio Napolitano so long as that exists as a non-redirect. —Cryptic 16:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • My judgment is to oppose this blurb, doesn't seem like a blurbable candidate. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 19:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Why not, president of Italy and member of government with a long career. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Shrug, I just don't think it's the sort of thing we would blurb, when you compare to our previous postings. That's really all it comes down to. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 18:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've started to avoid discussing blurbs on political figures that I know little about, but just having looked through Napolitano's article, I find it hard to despite his impact on Italian and thus global politics. Therefore, I'll put myself down as a support blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support blurb - As a former head of state and "dominant figure in Italian politics" (in the words of the article itself) and was the longest serving Italian president. estar8806 (talk) 23:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It says that but doesn't really have a clear place in the article where it explains that. I would not necessarily doubt this claim but if we are going to post this as a blurb, the article should be crystal clear how he was a dominant figure in Italian politics. Masem (t) 12:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The quality issues appear to have been resolved (I removed the poorly sourced international honors section that was the last remaining hurdle; kudos to Davide King for the enormous amount of work you've put in), and so with enough consensus here I've posted a blurb. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Pull There was no consensus. There were nine oppose blurbs. There is no such thing as enough consensus - there either is consensus or there isn't and there isn't. Fdfexoex (talk) 11:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I think there is consensus when you consider that you can now discard all the "Oppose on quality" comments, as the quality is now fine. You can of course also discard your oppose as "I've never heard of him" is not a valid reason to oppose. Black Kite (talk) 11:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I wasn't counting oppose on qualitys - there are nine unconditional oppose blurbs. That's not consensus. Fdfexoex (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • And there are fifteen "Support" or "Support once quality is fixed" comments. It's not all about counting, but that looks OK to me. Black Kite (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I voted "oppose" but I do have to agree that it's up to an admin to weigh the quality of !votes, and that's actually preferred as opposed to straight up vote-counting. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 16:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting support May not be a household name in many countries, but his impact on Italian politics was huge. Black Kite (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Black Kite: describe how it was huge then? Berlusconi was huge, and we posted him a few months ago. But I see nothing in Napolitano's history to warrant it. Judging by obits, the most significant thing appears to be appointing Mario Monti as PM in the midst of the Eurozone debt crisis. Well OK, congratulations, but that doesn't put him up there alongside Mandela and Thatcher. I've rarely seen a more ridiculous blurb than this one TBH.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    How it is ridiculous?
    See reuters obit:
    Napolitano, president who helped save Italy from possible default, dies at 98
    [3]
    Isn't saving such large and important country from default a huge achievement? Kirill C1 (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Pull and oppose please can we stop posting things days after they're nominated, and without consensus. This is getting absurd now. As a somewhat ceremonial president, whose position is less powerful than the PM, he's not remotely near the sort of bar which warrants a blurb in ITN.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I am sorry, but he is far more important and known than Shane Warne, Jim Brown, and others. ITN should not be English language centric.
    He wasn't ceremonial president, he helped increase the power of president. He appointed Renzi and Monti. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Please stop implicitly accusing other individuals of bias towards English-speaking people/nations. You have been here long enough to know that ITN/C is very sensitive to issues of systemic bias, and we always weigh those issues in our discussions. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 16:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Indeed, if anything the systemic bias is the opposite. An old white guy who wasn't really actually in power dies, but because he was from an "important" country we blurb him, while meanwhile when African leader Daniel arap Moi died (who was actually the sole autocratic leader of his country for over 20 years) died, I was ordered here to remove his blurb from ITN.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Pull - and im not seeing how there was consensus to post in the first place. Where besides Italy was this front page news? Heads of state that arent heads of government wouldnt even merit posting for office changes generally, but a nearly 100 year old who was head of state dying of old age would? Why? nableezy - 16:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Absurd that the death of a 98-year-old ceremonial leader is now taking up a blurb line when it could have just been posted to RD. We need firmer guidelines on what is and is not blurbable. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • don't pull, you are just understanding his influence, he is one of the biggest people in Italian politics and European politics, pulling nepolitano's blurb is like not giving Jimmy Carter a blurb, both has the some amount of influence in the respected countries and in some respects nepolitano has more 4me689 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Jimmny Carter of the Camp David Accords or Habitat for Hummanity or the Carter Center? Really? Here, Ill bet right now when Mr Carter passes away it will be front page news in Italy. I cant find any evidence that Napolitano was front page news anywhere besides Italy, and even then it doesnt seem to have been a leading story. nableezy - 19:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bayani Fernando Edit

Article: Bayani Fernando (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/22/23/bayani-fernando-passes-away
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino politician. Article needs work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Seems that the issues have been addressed upon checking the article. It looks good to be posted now. Vida0007 (talk) 02:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've added a number of {cn} tags to several sourcing-deficient paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Oldest wooden structure Edit

Article: Kalambo structure (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The oldest known wooden structure is discovered at the Kalambo Falls (pictured), predating Homo sapiens. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The oldest known wooden structure, estimated to be at least 476,000 years old, is discovered at the Kalambo Falls (pictured), predating Homo sapiens.
Alternative blurb II: The oldest known wooden structure, estimated to be at least 476,000 years old, predating Homo sapiens and potentially made by Homo heidelbergensis, is discovered at the Kalambo Falls (pictured).
News source(s): BBC, CNN, DW, Guardian, Nature, NYT
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I have myself seen the oldest wooden structure in London – ancient bridge piles at Vauxhall – and they are about 6,500 years old. But this new discovery is so old that it pre-dates our species. The falls are a candidate to become a World Heritage Site and this should help. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Potentially of considerable interest, but at the moment the target article only has one sentence about this recent discovery. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 09:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is a cool science story :) Happy to support, but the update is really thin at this point. Try to expand to a short paragraph or something. Tone 09:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tone: I've expanded the update to one paragraph. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nice. Support from my side now. Will be happy to post if I see more support. As for the DYK, I agree this is also appropriate, we likely won't have a dedicated article which is a prerequisite. Tone 13:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose while this is a cool story, this is not ITN-worthy per-se, and would be more of a DYK article. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Extremely significant discovery, first wooden structure predating Homo sapiens itself. Plus, ITN has been very lacking in scientific discoveries recently, compared to the likes of political events. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait Article needs expansion to include more details of the discovery, as of now any reference is difficult to find. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Support The new article meets the minimum quality for ITN and additionally, this is a significant discovery that is ITN-worthy. Kcmastrpc (talk)
  • Support I'm the one who added the initial sentence about the wooden structures, as an in-class training exercise for my African Archaeology students this semester who are working with the WikiEdu project. Thanks so much to the editors who are now expanding that section!! The structures are an incredible discovery and I would love to see them as an In the News item or as a Did You Know...Ninafundisha (talk) 14:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I made it a separate article (Kalambo structure), tell me if it's okay! Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Many unreferenced sections and sentences in the article. Major ref work needed before this could be debated for posting. Once issues have been fixed, I would support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's now a separate article (Kalambo structure) with added material, which should avoid the issue of unreferenced sections as these aren't the focus of the new article. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per above. I think having a distinct target article for this structure in question would be worthwhile as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Good idea, I could do it! Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Created the article at Kalambo structure! Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Wonderful, thanks! DarkSide830 (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support as a significant scientific discovery.
Noah, AATalk 16:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment—I'm very much inclined to support this, especially considering the fact that this apparently "predates Homo Sapiens". However, the phrase "wooden structure" is somewhat vague, and it's also unclear to me whether or not this structure was constructed by our evolutionary ancestors, of if it's something altogether separate. I think the blurb should expand upon these two points for clarity. Kurtis (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The structure is believed to have been constructed by Homo heidelbergensis, an ancestor of Homo sapiens. Agree that it would be a great idea to mention in the lead that it was built by a pre-sapiens hominin, rather than a natural formation. Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Kurtis: Is alt2 better? I don't think anything more specific than "wooden structure" can be said as it's apparently hard to tell what it is, we can only tell that it isn't natural. Alt2 is kinda long though. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I am in for alt 2 support. Interesting discovery, away from the usual ITN drab. Gotitbro (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think it's a big improvement—I might put the "predating Homo sapiens . . . made by Homo heidelbergensis" in parentheses, but otherwise I'm all for it. :) Kurtis (talk) 05:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Modified blurbs to reflect new standalone article. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Cool discovery, but not blurb-notable (per-say).Pyramids09 (talk) 21:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support This is cool and it is good to feature African news here. -TenorTwelve (talk) 23:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I don't see the need for the separate article at this time. A section in the waterfall article with all the same info would be a sufficient update. This is a problem with these short articles that come about from not following proper NOTNEWS/NEVENT guidance. --Masem (t) 00:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The new article has enough details & references & this is a very notable archaeological discovery. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready I suggest that the target article is not ready. It needs better structure; there's content in the lead that is not in the body. I suggest that the body of the article gets rewritten and once done, a lead gets drafted that summarises the body. When done, this will easily get my support. Schwede66 05:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Moved most of the lead in the body, adding some amount of new content there as well. Tell me if anything more needs to be done. Chaotic Enby (talk) 15:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not ITN material. As a new article it is eligible for DYK and is better suited there. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    On what basis is a scientific discovery not ITN? People have been talking about finding evidence of non-human settlement for years, though perhaps not in this manner <smileyface>. Nfitz (talk) 16:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Technically, archaic humans are humans, too. Or maybe not "technically", but according to Wikipedia. Anyway, whoever made this, it's older than this beaver dam (though some beaver lumber predates all us hominids). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support definitely meets WP:ITNSIGNIF criteria and is well-updated for a recently created article. Happily888 (talk) 14:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. A very interesting discovery. The article's structure also looks better now. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 01:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Notable discovery, article is OK too. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posting. Very nice work with the article. --Tone 06:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 
Alt image
  • Suggest alt image. The paper that published this finding is licensed under CC BY 4.0. I have uploaded one of the images from this paper onto Commons. Since we now have the picture of the wooden structure itself, I think we should replace the waterfall photo with the alt image. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree, although it shouldn't matter as it isn't the image being featured on the Main Page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed; see above) Anthony Rota-Yaroslav Hunka scandal Edit

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Article: Anthony Rota (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Canadian House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota sparks outrage by honoring 14th Waffen SS veteran during visit by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (Post)
News source(s): [1][2][3]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Mass outrage from various groups including calls for Rota's resignation, all in the wake of the Canada-India diplomatic controversy. Orchastrattor (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - Good faith nom, but I just don't see the international significance of it. Maybe if it were related to Canada's ongoing diplomatic row with India, but it just seems like two unrelated occurrences that are creating quite the headache for Canada's government. estar8806 (talk) 00:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Yaroslav Hunka got an article out of this deal. It's not pretty, but it's probably not supposed to be. Maybe it can be included. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I was going to but it would either be too long or run into seaofblue, I think the 14th Division link would be more important here. Orchastrattor (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Clearly a central figure, by my reading, whose article contains more relevant information as to why "most people" now think he (not really Rota) sucks. Your call, though. I'm not voting on it, either way. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose "outrage" is cheap. Worry about it if something happens (and something really dramatic would need to happen before I support this - even a resignation for example is still local internal politics). Banedon (talk) 02:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. There're far bigger political faux pas than this and those don't even show up on ITN. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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September 21 Edit

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations


RD: Kevin Byrne Edit

Article: Kevin Byrne (mayor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/council/news-notices/media-releases/media-releases/kevin-byrne
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian politician, mayor of Cairns, 1992–1995, 2000–2008. Many citations needed. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Arlen Erdahl Edit

Article: Arlen Erdahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/areln-erdahl-dies/
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Norwegian-American farmer and politician. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Eugenia Viteri Edit

Article: Eugenia Viteri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.expreso.ec/actualidad/fallecio-escritora-eugenia-viteri-173773.html
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ecuadorian writer. Article needs a bit of work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Saroja Vaidyanathan Edit

Article: Saroja Vaidyanathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/bharatanatyam-exponent-saroja-vaidyanathan-dies-at-86-546465
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian choreographer. Article looks almost decent. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Yoel Alroy Edit

Article: Yoel Alroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Israeli politician. Article looks almost decent. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 20 Edit

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Science and technology


RD: Hollis Watkins Edit

Article: Hollis Watkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.wapt.com/article/mississippi-civil-rights-activist-hollis-watkins-dies-at-age-82/45248442
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Civil Rights activist. Article almost looks ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Thet Lwin Edit

Article: Thet Lwin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news-eleven.com/article/253956
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mon Myanmar politician. Article almost looks ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:38, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Phil Sellers Edit

Article: Phil Sellers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2023/09/phil-sellers-hoops-star-who-led-rutgers-to-final-four-dies-at-69.html
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball player. Article almost looks ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Jack Sandlin Edit

Article: Jack Sandlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/jack-sandlin-obituary-indiana-352bb3befef755f946c3fbfa9bbccaae
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:27, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Dick Clark Edit

Article: Dick Clark (Iowa politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/20/dick-clark-us-senator-iowa-dies-at-95-at-home-washington-dc-obituary/70912585007/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Politician. Article needs a bit more citation work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:25, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lucy Morgan Edit

Article: Lucy Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.yahoo.com/lucy-morgan-pulitzer-winning-force-011200243.html
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American reporter. Article looks decent though could use some expansion. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) UK Online Safety Bill Edit

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Article: Online Safety Bill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UK's Online Safety Bill completes its passage through parliament. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, EFF, LBC, NYT, Times; WMF
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This was front page news when I browsed the New York Times this morning: "The British law goes further than other efforts to regulate online content." It is of particular interest to Wikipedia readers because this site is specifically called out in the coverage. Andrew Marr interviewed Jimmy Wales about this but the video is amusingly entitled "Wikipedia founder reveals site is running out of money"! Andrew🐉(talk) 08:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • comment I think there shoudl be some explanation of what that bill is or does in the blurb imo. i dont wanna go thru the link to get even the general idea of what that is Daikido (talk) 10:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Politicians doing they work. Surely this is not the BBC. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose If anything, the recent enforcement of the EU's Digital Markets Act is to have a larger impact. --Masem (t) 13:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • What is the impact on Wikipedia readers or editors? Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 14:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    [5] Curbon7 (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    What is the impact on Wikipedia readers or editors? Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 12:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We shouldn't decide if something is newsworthy based on its impact on Wikipedia readers (and especially editors!), that would be WP:NAVELGAZING at its peak. Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The blurb does not make its significance clear, that WP is somehow tangentially involved is a navel gazing issue and does not really raise a bar for significance. Gotitbro (talk) 16:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose—The passage of a new law in any individual country is usually not ITN-worthy. There has to be some kind of extra significance for it to merit a blurb, which I'm just not seeing here. Kurtis (talk) 17:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Little to no wider significance than any other piece of domestic legislation. The Kip 18:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Actually quite important, but article is a pile of crap and some of it is factually wrong. Black Kite (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've reverted the rather early close of this discussion. I've no real pinion on the item, but the blurb (and the article) does a poor job of explaining this bill's significance. The EFF caught my eye when they flatly stated that this bill "undermine[s] the privacy, security, and freedom of all internet users", so its impact seems likely to extend beyond the UK. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I read that EFF piece, but the problem is that we don't know to what extent it will. Clearly it will affect businesses within the UK, but the language of this bill appears to be unclear to how they will deal with international companies. When we start getting into the realm of hypotheticals, it doesn't make for a good ITN topic. As to contrast, we posted the GDPR as the effects both covering a wide range of people directly (EU) and beyond was reasonably clear from RSes and the language of the regulation. I do think, in hindsight, the Digital Markets Act passage should have also been posted (I dont think it was nominated at all) as that has a known impact as well, compared to this law. Masem (t) 12:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Precedents FYI, here are some previous nominations of a similar kind which were posted
  1. General Data Protection Regulation
  2. Net Neutrality
  3. Egypt shuts internet
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
GDPR and Net-neutrality had wide and immediate effects, not so clear here. A country shutting its whole internet services down also falls in these. Gotitbro (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was also in the midst of a revolt that brought down a regime, so yeah a bit different. If the people of England rise up against their imperial overlords and the government hits the off switch on the internet to stymie them then yeah Id support that too. nableezy - 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak oppose - Quite notable, one of the biggest regulatory acts implemented to the UK internet, but I'm not sure about ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. A quitnissential example of third- or forth-page news. Other than the direct NYT link provided by the nom, I have been unable to trace this story from the NYT front page, digging pretty deep there. Plenty of coverage of other international stories such as the UN meeting, the Canada-India spat, the Nagorno-Kharabakh conflict, etc. Several other stories from the U.K. are also covered including Sunak's announcement's of weakening of net-zero targets. But I couldn't find anything about this new UK law, even in the World/Europe subsection[6]. Nsk92 (talk) 12:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I read the Times front page for that day and also was not able to find this story. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support. Impact on Wikipedia specifically is irrelevant to notability, and we shouldn't go into this kind of navelgazing to justify something which is already independently notable. However, this will have massive consequences even outside of the UK itself as the bill applies to all services with a significant UK userbase, globally. While the law is voted locally, its consequences are much more far-reaching than this. It is definitely ITN-worthy. Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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