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September 29Edit

James MiddletonEdit

Reference number 35 should have the quote written the correct way. Can you please do this? We cannot. Sorry and thanks (talk) 02:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP 175! Could you give us some more specifics? I see you added a citation with a quote. The quote looks like an accurate duplication of the source's text. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
The source (number 35) is the exact same as number 42 - maybe the quote is OK as you seem to suggest - but surely these two refs should be doubled up and we leave the quote in? (talk) 02:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Good point! You can see how I fixed it here, and the steps for doing so are listed at WP:REFNAME. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Article Draft declinedEdit

My first draft was declined for sounding too promotional and for not having enough supporting resources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afomaa (talkcontribs) 08:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Correct. Do you have a question? You have been given sound advice on your talk page. Shantavira|feed me 09:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
@Afomaa Yes, the "Encyclopedic style" requires that facts are presented neutrally, even in a dry tone, instead of showing praise for the subject of the article. David10244 (talk) 04:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


I am searching for various quotes and want to know if they are copyright for use in school text books please. (talk) 09:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

If you mean that you want to put quotes or text from WP in school textbooks, see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. And perhaps Wikipedia:General disclaimer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
In a more general sense, it is normally permissible to quote short extracts from any published source in any book provided that the original author and source is duly credited. How short is short? – "it depends", and publishing companies normally have one or more employees in a Legal Department who are able to navigate the customs, procedures and laws pertaining. In certain circumstances (say, quoting a politician in a book favourable to one of their opponents), even a short quote might be objected to by the quotee (or their estate), which will at the least cause some friction, and could result in legal action and further consequences.
Textbooks – which I used to edit professionally – are, because of their educational nature, usually allowed a little more leeway than, say, a novel, but I recall on several occasions contacting an author directly (one of them was the then-Astronomer Royal, Francis Graham-Smith) to obtain their formal permission for quoting in full a passage of two or three paragraphs. If you are writing a textbook, presumably you are already working with a publisher/editor: to be on the safe side, ask them – it's part of their job to advise on and deal with such things. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

British Colonial Era records and consensusesEdit

Are British Colonial Era records and books not to be mentioned as sources in Wikipedia articles if not supported by Modern sources?

How concencuses are made in Wikipedia community and how to know if a concencus is already made on a certain topic? MrHyperForEver (talk) 10:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

For your first question, it depends. British colonial records might be reliable sources in certain contexts, but not in others. Probably yes for the boundaries between colonial administration entities. Maybe for general demographic data. Probably not for subtle statistics of caste self-identification. What is your use case?
Newer sources are generally preferred over older sources when reliable sources conflict, but an old scholarly paper is better than a new pop-magazine speculative article (related: Betteridge's law of headlines). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
You mean if about a certain caste's origins or statistics, it is not be cited as a source. MrHyperForEver (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
@MrHyperForEver, that is generally correct. A helpful essay is this one: Caste Sources. Also, you should be aware that South Asian social groups (including castes) is an area covered by a special set of rules called "sanctions" (see General sanctions and CASTE for more info) because they have proven to be quite controversial. (talk) 16:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Can Modern Pakistani and Indian government sources such as district reports and cencus reports be mentioned as a source. Is it allowed. MrHyperForEver (talk) 15:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@MrHyperForEver, government documents are primary sources (WP:PRIMARY) and often non-independent. They can be used, but they need to be used carefully and sparingly. Wikipedia is built around summarizing secondary sources (WP:SECONDARY) - use secondary sources as much as you can. (talk) 17:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Can this book "Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India: 900 B.C.-1947 A.D." be used as a source for describing different castes. MrHyperForEver (talk) 10:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
@MrHyperForEver, the place to start a discussion on whether a particular source is reliable is WP:RSN. (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

multiple user pagesEdit

how do i make multiple user pages 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 11:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

You shouldn't be doing that. To make user subpages simply type the user subpage you want to create into the search bar, which will popup a link to create the page. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
i mean subpages 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Then see the comment I put above. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
You can also put something like [[/This is a subpage]] on your user page and then follow the red link that it creates. Note the slash at the start. - X201 (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Or you can manually write the page name in the url after (may be tricky for certain special characters). Use any method to navigate to the non-existing page. Then you should have an option to create it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Or use this input box:

Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Setting footnote in Infobox country in ISO 3166 field (for Kosovo)Edit

The infobox country in the article Kosovo lists XK as ISO 3166 code and .xk as proposed internet TLD. In the latter case, there is a footnote set that XK is not yet an official ISO 3166 code. This footnote logically belongs to the ISO 3166 field. However, it is not set there, as the template automatically links the "XK" entry to ISO 3166-2:XK, which then is a redirect to XK (user assigned code). You can't set the footnote there without ruining this link. But I guess there is a way for those who know how to?! --KnightMove (talk) 12:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Please help me ( Urgent)Edit

Hello, someone named Storchy has recommended deleting my Wiki Page National Scholarship Portal.

Can an admin check the page and tell me the reason for this action. How can I inprove the page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoworNever007 (talkcontribs) 12:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello! The discussion about the reasoning to delete your page is here. You can participate in the discussion, and you can try to find what can you improve in the deletion discussion. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 13:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
@NoworNever007: When you include numerous references using a commercial website, it’s considered spamming. Also, Wikipedia is not meant to be a directory WP:DIR to help students get scholarships. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 13:58, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:So your article has been nominated for deletion. Afd's are lucky not as urgent, they usally last for 7 days (sometimes even longer) unless the article meets one of the (much stricter) speedy deletion citeria or its snowing realy hard. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit page and article don't agreeEdit

Looking at the page for Roque Santana Fernandes and the edit page and the article page are not the same. discovered it when I did a search for the word ghats" and only came up with 1 instance. I have never seen this before and I am a bit baffled. Any thoughts? bobdog54 (talk) 22:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Bobdog54, the word only appears for me once in both modes. The article had some extensive editing today - did you view it in-between changes and therefore get different results? (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
None of the revisions since 26 September say "ghats" more than once. What are you seeing and is it in the article view or edit page? Please always be specific in reports. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought I had put that it was only in the article edit. bobdog54 (talk) 00:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@Bobdog54: What do you mean "only in the article edit"? Don't you se "ghats" in the article view? I do, once, in Roque Santana Fernandes#Early and personal life which says: "Fernandes and his father were also involved in pilgrimage work and escorted people that came from ghats, to show their affection and respect to the pilgrims in Velliapura". Your first post sounded like you saw it more than once somewhere. Is that the problem? SAY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!!! Otherwise you waste our time and make it very difficult to help you. ALWAYS say what the problem is when you ask for help. "not the same" is extremely vague. We aren't mind readers and we may see something different from you for various reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Searching refsEdit

Noticed a seeming network of link spammers. They're hiding the links in refs. I'd like to make sure none have gone unnoticed, how can I search through reference links? Duonaut (talk | contribs) 23:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@Duonaut: Do you mean only refs? Special:LinkSearch shows all links. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Both instances I previously found were inside of a cite news template. Should have clarified. Duonaut (talk | contribs) 00:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@Duonaut: But why does it matter whether they are in refs? I don't know any feature where it makes a difference to finding them. Unless you mean you can find the page but not locate the link in the wikitext. Refs are usually defined where they are used, not where they are displayed. Windows browsers can usually search a string on the current page with Ctrl+f. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I was unsure whether search could find them as it returned nothing. But I assume it can search refs and thus there are none remaining based on what you're saying Duonaut (talk | contribs) 00:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

September 30Edit

mlb postseason referenceEdit

Can you fix the error i made on mlb postseason reference please. (talk) 00:15, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe I've fixed what you were talking about. The baseball-reference one, right? Duonaut (talk | contribs) 00:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Report SomeoneEdit

WP:NOTHERE ranting

A idiot on here is removing my added information on the soundtracks to Popeye and Pete's Dragon, when i have a reliable source link attached and i don't appreciate it one bit. If those links aren't reliable then Wikipedia needs to be shut down! This pisses me off and i'm about to go postal with foul language on this person. Chadergeist82 (talk) 03:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

@Chadergeist82: Sites with user generated content, such as at Discogs is not reliable source. See WP:RS for more information on that, and also WP:CIVIL. RudolfRed (talk) 03:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
That's stupid! Wikipedia is nuts! Youns can all stick it, cause i QUIT doing any edits! To me...Discogs is reliable and proof! It shows that what i said is real and right in your face, that it exists! SMDH! Also, quit putting dates as Day, Month and Year...that is RETARDED! It is Month, Day and Year...Learn it! SMDHAgain! I doubt i will log back in ever again, so your dumb replies will be a waste of all of your time and energy. Bye! Chadergeist82 (talk) 04:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Umm - isn’t Pete trying to flee someone who is threatening to punish him severely? WP:SNARK TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 03:33, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Link in infoboxEdit


Would it be possible to link "Flag of New Spain" in the infobox of Spanish West Florida to Cross of Burgundy since it's a red link? Thanks! (talk) 08:32, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I've fixed the redlink to go to Flag of New Spain, from where a reader could go to Cross of Burgundy too. Thanks for reporting! Best, CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 09:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


Lupton familyEdit

2 problems - Would you please be able to fix ref number 114 on this page - I cannot. Please also add in the book's "ISBN" number which I could not get. Leave in the quote please. Also, ref number 116 should have the two pages (29 and 30) clearly listed in the correct way. Please fix this too if you have time. Sorry. Thanks. (talk) 12:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

You can fix it yourself. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Fixed the first one ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
And the second one done.
Sungodtemple: old-timers here recognise this editor, who does valuable work on families and other topics associated with Leeds, but seems unable to recognise or fix formatting errors or spelling mistakes, even when they are pointed out; so we have stopped giving answers such as yours, and just fix them when we have the time. ColinFine (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
ColinFine, the editor (who rarely uses their user ID) recognizes the results of their own formatting errors, but rarely if ever reverts the latter. They previously blamed their "device" for this inability to find and fix formatting errors, but was curiously reluctant to say what the device was. (The device I'm using right now is nine years old and I presume would have a resale value close to zero, but it still manages to display formatting errors very clearly.) And as for value of the work, I often have difficulty understanding how such detail about miscellaneous Luptons and Middletons is of encyclopedic status. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
I still stand by my suggestion that they are using some sort of visual aid software per our discussion at your talk page some time back. The often-used "it's in red" phrase, as if they can't read or transcribe it correctly and the 'phonetic' spelling of usernames leads me to this conclusion. Eagleash (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
That is a good point, Eagleash. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
@ColinFine, @Hoary I have also seen this editor ask for help in the Help boards for years. I started to wonder if the inordinate attention on the Lupton and Middleton articles is really worth all of that effort. I suppose it gives the OP some purpose, so I shouldn't criticize. I wonder if these articles will ever be done, but that's often true.... Kudos to those who are helping the OP. David10244 (talk) 04:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

New editor creating a new article for an actor.Edit

Hi Team,

I am a new editor and i want to create a wikipedia page for a South Indian actor who acted in a several Tamil movies. need guide lines and more information to create it. Kavya Gowri Kg (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I think Help:Your first article would be a good place to start! Welcome! DonIago (talk) 13:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@Kavya Gowri Kg The most important guideline for creating any article (note: not page) is the General Notability Guidelines. That describes what you need to demonstrate to show that the topic of the article is notable by Wikipedia's definition. There is a subject-specific page for actors: WP:NACTOR, which should be viewed as a supplement to the GNG. If you are convinced this actor meets the notability requirements the next step is to gather sources that discuss the actor's life and career. You need to make sure the sources are:
  1. Reliable by Wikipedia's definition. This page has a color-coded list of sources by generally-accepted reliability. Here (about half way down that page) is a guide to sources specifically about Indian cinema. Here are some evaluations of the reliability of sources grouped by country.
  2. independant of the topic of article. So, you would want to avoid the actor's webpage, the studio's publicity materials, press releases, etc. Also, oddly, interviews with the actor are frowned upon because they are not independent.
  3. Significant coverage - in other words, you want sources that are about him, and that go into some depth about his life or career. Not sources that are about the movies he was in that just mention him in passing, but sources that are really about HIM.
Once you have at least 3 such sources, you are ready to begin drafting your article. Your first article is a good place for pointers on how to do that. Also, looking at some of the featured articles and good articles about Indian Cinema can help you know what an ideal article should look like.
Good luck! ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 13:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Kavya Gowri Kg You said " i want to create a wikipedia page for a South Indian actor"; Wikipedia has articles, not pages. Those articles are not for the benefit of the subject in any way. There may be benefits but those are on the side and not our goal.
If you represent this actor, the Terms of Use require that you make a formal disclosure, see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
In addition to the good advice that others have given you, I would suggest that trying to create a new article as a new editor is like picking a violin, never having had a lesson on it, and trying to give a public recital. It is likely to bring you frustration and disappointment, and may ending wasting your time and other people's. I strongly suggest putting that aside for a few months while you learn how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to existing articles - remembering that everything in Wikipedia should be traceable to a reliable published source. ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
So how do i learn to create an article? Also how to identify the independent source to apply it while i create an article? Kavya Gowri Kg (talk) 03:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
@Kavya Gowri Kg: Let's do this is the proper order. First, create your user page by clicking on the red link that is currently your user name. On that user page, declare your paid relationship with the subject: see WP:PAID. Next, find published sources about the subject. You probably already have multiple sources, so check each of them against the criteria we apply to see if they help establish notability. Look at WP:CSMN to see why many sources fail this test. If you cannot find a few good sources, then stop: it is WP:TOOSOON for this subject to have an article: come back in a year and check again. Do not attempt to create the article if you cannot find such sources. We will delete the article. We delete more than 100 articles every day: yours will not survive and you will have wasted your time and ours. If you can find at least three good sources, read a few Wikipedia articles about similar subjects (actors) to see what your article should look like. Finally, proceed to WP:YFA to see how to actually create your article. -Arch dude (talk) 03:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi thanks for the detailed explanation, i am bit confused on the source.. would you mind helping me out.
i will share you few source links, so can you please help me in verifying that this sources are applicable? Kavya Gowri Kg (talk) 04:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
@Kavya Gowri Kg::
  • Filmibeat and Times of India are both too short to cite.
  • DT Next says very little, at best, about him.
  • No comment on the Vanitha source (I can't assess it - automated translation + South Asian languages = word salad).
This help? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing, i will definitely work on this and find a strong source about the actor and then i will start creating an article, its very helpful. Kavya Gowri Kg (talk) 04:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Concensus not got due despite RfCEdit

15 days ago, I opened an RfC to find a concensus which hasn't yet been got (and parts haven't been discussing for a while). What do I do next to get the concensus? Dr Salvus 19:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Just for context, is it this one? Madeline (part of me) 20:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes. Dr Salvus 20:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@Dr Salvus: Read WP:RFC, which explains that an RfC is usually closed by an uninvolved user after 30 days has elapsed, or after the discussion has died down and consensus (or lack thereof) is clear. If you think the discussion is closable, you can request a close at WP:RFCC. Isabelle 🏳‍🌈 02:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

(dead?) reference redirects to homepageEdit

Reference 13 on Sagat Singh now redirects to the website's homepage. I ran WP:IABOT on it, and instead of marking it is dead, it added a link of the archive of the homepage which contains nothing relevant, which I think is a false positive. What should I do in the article now? CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {CX}) 19:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Looks like it's because Internet Archive had never archived it before, so it made its best guess at archiving it's redirect to the home page (see [1]). No idea why the bot decided to use the archive link to the homepage, probably to avoid extra redirects.
I did a quick google search of the title in the that cite and found [2], which appears likely to be the identical page. I'd say if you concur, you should update the reference to use that URL (which does have a successful archive by IA). Skynxnex (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

October 1Edit

Change the summary of this pageEdit - The title of this page should change to Aditha Chola II. Not Aditya. (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

This is something that you are welcome to point out at the foot of Talk:Aditya Chola II. -- Hoary (talk) 02:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
ALready discussed at the Talk Page in July 2022. Needs sourcing to show this is the WP:COMMONNAME. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Regarding new page reviewEdit

I've created a new page by moving from the userspace. Do I need to request review somewhere? Doesn't seem to be in the NPP new page log. Duonaut (talk | contribs) 08:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Duonaut The NPP have a large backlog, so it may not be reviewed for a while. You don't have to request review, although you could request to become autopatrolled if you are confident you are competent (generally have created about 25 articles without problems). Note that search engines do not index new articles until approved by NPP or 90 days have elapsed after creation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
At least when I checked, that page actually didn't appear in Special:NewPagesFeed. Madeline (part of me) 12:06, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
The Page appears when it was created as a userpage. Probably a MediaWiki problem or something. Duonaut (talk | contribs) 19:13, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

How can i Publish ArticleEdit

How can I publish Article Onlygurdeep (talk) 09:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

OnlygurdeepYour draft lacked the information needed to submit it for a review, I have added it(this is provided if you create a draft via WP:AFC). However, if you were to submit it now, it would likely be declined, as you have no independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the channel- it must not merely document its existence and what it does. Please see Your First Article- writing a new article is the hardest task to attempt on Wikipedia. If you work for this channel, the Terms of Use require that to be declared, see paid editing, as well as conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 09:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
331dot, it had already been declined four times. -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Is listing the channel number on different networks really relevant to an encyclopedia? David10244 (talk) 04:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Third opinion on proposed deletionEdit

Hello, Kadı has proposed the deletion of Heris Tower, claiming the building is not notable to have its own article. I have since contested the deletion, by noting that is is the 7th tallest building in Izmir as well as previously holding the title of 2nd tallest building for 13 years. A third opinion would be greatly appreciated as we are at an impasse. Thank you! Central Data Bank (talk) 13:37, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

A third opinion may be obtained by following the linked instructions, Kadı.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Not to mention Central Data Bank .--Quisqualis (talk) 03:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Help with syntax of interlanguage link within a citationEdit

Hi there. Can someone please tell me how to fix the error in the following book citation:

Schurr, Gérald (1996). Le guidargus de la peinture (in French). Les Éditions de l'Amateur. ISBN 2859172084. {{cite book}}: Check |author-link= value (help)

Masato.harada (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Masato.harada: author-link=:fr:Gérald Schurr:
Schurr, Gérald (1996). Le guidargus de la peinture (in French). Les Éditions de l'Amateur. ISBN 2859172084.
If you want to partially do what {{ill}} does then author-link={{#ifexist:Gérald Schurr|Gérald Schurr|:fr:Gérald Schurr}}:
Schurr, Gérald (1996). Le guidargus de la peinture (in French). Les Éditions de l'Amateur. ISBN 2859172084.
It currently produces the same but if we get Gérald Schurr here then that will be linked instead. {{ill|Gérald Schurr|fr}} produces Gérald Schurr [fr]. I don't think {{cite book}} makes that possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Concrete masonry unitEdit

I am the author of the source in this article. It listed only the date of the first edition. I added additional years for 2nd through 6th editions. I'm getting a formatting error message. Please help.Christinebeall (talk) 17:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The editor who used your source, used only one edition of that source so that one edition is the only edition that should be listed as a reference in Concrete masonry unit. I have reverted your edit.
Trappist the monk (talk) 17:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
IT's not obvious why the book is listed separately as a 'source' anyway. The article cites multiple references, and I can't see why one should be treated differently from the others. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Probably because references 8, 10, and 11 are all the same source but refer to different in-source locations so to avoid unnecessary bibliographical duplication, the editor wrote one {{cite book}} template and then referred to it with {{sfn}} templates to specify which pages in the source support the text in the article. The only 'problem' that I see with this setup is that the {{cite book}} should not specify in-source locations as it does now (|pages=61–63). I have fixed that.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
That all makes sense. Thanks. Christinebeall (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk Wait, if the cites are to the same edition of the book, shouldn't the page numbers stay in the cite? Having page numbers helps readers find the supporting material. Obviously I'm confused. David10244 (talk) 04:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Page numbers are in the {{sfn}} templates which are references 8, 10, and 11 in the article. Those page numbers, 61–63, 66–68, & 68–70, if included in the {{cite book}} template are just redundant and like many redundancies, might be confusing, and are certainly clutter. It is a somewhat common practice when using short form referencing, to include the page-range of a cited journal article in a {{cite journal}} template with individually cited pages in the short-form templates. This aids those reader who attempts to get the local college library to photocopy the journal article; give the student librarian a range of pages to copy so that you get all of the article ... Nowadays, with so many journal articles available online for the price of a few coins, perhaps that practice isn't so necessary.
Trappist the monk (talk) 11:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
That makes sense. I'll leave it be. Thanks. Christinebeall (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Using bracketsEdit

I'm looking for some advice on how to use brackets for sporting events or where I could find bracket templates? I'm thinking of making pages for team sports at the Paralympic Games, e.g. goalball, and possibly for results for any individual sports like table tennis. I haven't used brackets before but it would be interesting to see how it works. SarahTHunter (talk) 17:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@SarahTHunter: When I do not know how to do something on Wikipedia, I try to find a worked example. In this case, I found a bracket in 2021 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament. Go to the section with the bracket and click on "edit" to see the source. You can copy that source into your sandbox and play with it from there. -Arch dude (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, I'll try that out. SarahTHunter (talk) 10:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
For readers who haven't a clue what this is about (like me), see Bracket (tournament). Bazza (talk) 19:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

October 2Edit

Upload logo to use in templateEdit

I'm editing the Google App Maker page, and I want to add a logo in the Template:Infobox software template in page. the logo is in this page but I don't know if regarding copyright rules I can upload it, and even If I can, im not sure where to upload it. the Infobox software template wants a file name but I think that means uploading to Wikimedia commons? or not? they don't like when people upload stuff that isn't theirs, so what do I do? Thanks. 3point1415 (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
3point1415 (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, 3point1415! Generally we use free content only – see the first few paragraphs of the information page Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/All. Such content should be uploaded to Commons repository, so that it's available in all Wikimedia projects.
However, there are some cases when there is no free content to illustrate something (for example, a logotype). That must not be uploaded to Commons. It may, however, under some conditions, be uploaded to English Wikipedia for enwiki use only. Please see Wikipedia:Non-free content guideline and Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria policy. --CiaPan (talk) 07:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Also see WP:LOGO, which discusses exactly this use. ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

ایڈمن کیسے بنیںEdit

ایڈمن کیسے بنیں 2601:19E:4300:83E0:A983:5BC7:34E4:11F9 (talk) 11:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Salaam. Have you got a question? You might prefer to post it at ur:ویکیپیڈیا:معاونت میز ColinFine (talk) 11:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
If you seek to become Administrator on Urdu Wikipedia, that Wikipedia handles its own administrative needs. This is the English Wikipedia..--Quisqualis (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Tammy HernandezEdit

I am the worst ate these things how do I find someone to help with my page? Because I don't understand the rules. I have been on two shows and have know clue on how to add them to this. Tammy Tammyhtherealtor (talk) 19:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

  Not done Wikipedia is not a place for you to advertise and promote yourself and your "brand". Nobody here will help you with that. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


kindly help me get the samson and delilah 1949 film by cecil demile. please Pst. Emmanuel (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

restore policyEdit

Please restore my fuller post I submitted October 2nd earlier today

this is documentation on actualized events

you have no right to depress us otherwise Unknownvalidated (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Unknownvalidated This is not a place to post your personal documentation of any events; Wikipedia summarizes independent reliable sources. You are free to use social media to post your grievances or views. 331dot (talk) 22:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Then I want transcribes of my work
this is documented in Congress Unknownvalidated (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
the cia managed Unknownvalidated (talk) 22:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Anything posted to Wikipedia has to be done so in accord with the Wikimedia Terms of Use. [3] Anything that doesn't is liable to get deleted. As indeed are things that do, in the normal course of editing. If you've posted something here without making a backup, it isn't our problem. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Where to ask for a independent review of an edit?Edit

I came across an edit[4] that may have come from an editor with a possible conflict of interest issue. Where would I go to ask for a third-party review of their edit? I'm a rather new editor, and am trying to be overly bold in my editing. Thank you! BlueNoise (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You are? (But perhaps you just intended to add "not".) The article was edited most recently by somebody with an imposing username and a short and odd list of removals, or should I say contributions. I'm not sure. Somebody with a clearer grasp than I have of the relative reliability of sources for "spiritual" matters might care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Looking at their edit history, it's seeming less like a conflict interest and more like single-purpose account with an axe to grind. As I mentioned before, it's easy to be overly bold when it comes to thinking one they know what they're doing. Sometimes beans end up in our nose whether we like it or not. BlueNoise (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)