Wikipedia:Featured list candidates

Nominating featured lists in Wikipedia

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Welcome to featured list candidates! Here, we determine which lists are of a good enough quality to be featured lists (FLs). Featured lists exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and must satisfy the featured list criteria.

Before nominating a list, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at peer review. This process is not a substitute for peer review. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured list candidate (FLC) process. Those who are not significant contributors to the list should consult regular editors of the list before nomination. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make an effort to address objections promptly.

A list should not be listed at featured list candidates and at peer review at the same time. Nominators should not add a second featured list nomination until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed. Please do not split featured list candidate pages into subsections using header code (if necessary, use bolded headings).

The featured list director, Giants2008, or his delegates, PresN and The Rambling Man, determine the timing of the process for each nomination. Each nomination will last at least ten days (though most last a month or longer) and may be lengthened where changes are ongoing and it seems useful to continue the process. For a nomination to be promoted to FL status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the directors determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the director who considers a nomination and its reviews:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved; or
  • consensus for promotion has not been reached; or
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met.

It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support.

After a reasonable time has passed, the director or delegates will decide when a nomination is ready to be closed. A bot will update the list talk page after the list is promoted or the nomination archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FLC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates or adds the {{Article history}} template. If a nomination is archived, the nominator should take adequate time to resolve issues before re-nominating.

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  1. Before nominating a list, ensure that it meets all of the FL criteria and that any peer reviews are closed and archived.
  2. Place {{subst:FLC}} on the talk page of the nominated list.
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  5. Finally, place {{Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/name of nominated list/archiveNumber}} at the top of the list of nominees on this page by first copying the above, clicking "edit" on the top of this page, and then pasting, making sure to add the name of the nominated list. When adding a candidate, mention the name of the list in the edit summary.

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Nominations urgently needing reviews

The following lists were nominated almost 2 months ago and have had their review time extended because objections are still being addressed, the nomination has not received enough reviews, or insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met. If you have not yet reviewed them, please take the time to do so:



The following lists were nominated for removal more than 14 days ago:

NominationsEdit

GLAAD Media Award for Outstanding Film – Limited ReleaseEdit

Nominator(s): PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

This is my 6th GLAAD Media Award-related list, and I'm nominating it because I believe it has reached the same status as the previous ones and has the potential to become a featured list. The list proved to be somewhat tricky to make. By 1997, GLAAD has started separating films into the wide and limited categories, and the names have stayed the same since. However, prior to this point, the was the Outstanding Film award, and Vito Russo Film Award. So, the question was, which movie went to which category? To make a long story short, the current list is structured based on a Letterboxd playlist created by GLAAD itself. If this list becomes a featured one, them most film-related GLAAD Media Award categories will be complete. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Wild edible plants of Israel / PalestineEdit

Nominator(s): Davidbena (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

This article is about Food and drink.Davidbena (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

  • I haven't the time to do a full review at the moment, but I was struck by the title, and had a couple of questions. First, would it not be more usual to take this to FLC? Second, what is the precise geographical scope here? Your lead links to Land of Israel and Palestine (region), which are distinct and also not precisely defined. Is the scope a specific administrative unit? Or a biologically coherent region? Vanamonde (Talk) 02:45, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
    Actually, The Land of Israel (broadly construed) is the exact same geographical region known as Palestine (region). The use of one term over the other has more to do with era, or time-frame, in which the country is mentioned. The scope of the country stretches from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, that is to say, width-wise. Lengthwise, it stretches from Upper Galilee and the Golan to the Negev. We're not talking here about modern political boundaries, but rather of an ancient, geographically-known area, straddling between Syria and Lebanon in the north, to Egypt in the south. Another reason why we mention both names (Palestine / Israel) is because an author writing during Ottoman control over Palestine in the early 1900s, and who describes the edible plants of the country, does so by calling the country Palestine. Other authors of the 21st century who describe these edible plants will often refer to the country as Israel. Still, it is one and the same country.
    As for taking this to FLC, I thought that I had done that. If not, what is the procedure for doing so?Davidbena (talk) 03:53, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
    They're different pages; you're at WP:FAC but you want WP:FLC. If you indicate you want to withdraw this nomination since it's at the wrong place, a FAC coordinator will close this nomination and you can start one at FLC. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:45, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
As Mike says. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I am willing to withdraw the nomination here, and have it placed in WP:FLC. Can you refer the page to a FAC coordinator and have him do this for me?Davidbena (talk) 14:22, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
I was just about to ping you to see if you wanted to withdraw this; I'll move it over for you. Hog Farm Talk 14:23, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

List of emperors of the Qing dynastyEdit

Nominator(s): TomMasterReal (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

I do not see many problems with this list, it is an okay list of all the Emperors of the Qing Dynasty.

Drive-by comment: The table formatting is a mess. Section headings shouldn't be inserted directly into the table (and references shouldn't be put in section headings), and row/column scopes are missing. I would suggest MOS:TABLE and MOS:DTAB for advice on how to fix it. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Comment - as far as I can see the nominator has never edited the article. @TomMasterReal: did you consult with regular editors of the list before nomination as per the instruction above.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Comment - I did not. I could not think of anything to edit on the article. All of the information outside the table seemed to be fine. I just edited a fact now, and will try to fix the formatting. TomMasterReal (talk) 13:23, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Comment - I fixed the table formatting things. TomMasterReal (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Nothing in the lead is sourced
  • Link era name in the lead
  • "which was tampered and perhaps even forged by its beneficiaries" => "which was tampered with and perhaps even forged by its beneficiaries"
  • "The date that appears under "Dates of reign"" - the column is not titled that
  • "The number of years indicated in the same column" - there is no number of years in the column
  • Why are there two values in English characters for each emperor in the last three columns?
  • Footnotes a and b are identical so should be combined
  • Refs 12, 24 and 25 point to a source tagged as "Fang 1943b" but no source is tagged that way, so the refs don't work -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:23, 3 December 2022 (UTC)


Comments

  • For the last three columns, the last row are their Manchu names I think, as I know Abkai fulingga is the Manchu name of Nurhaci
  • Sorry about the number of years, that was from the old table.
  • I will try to fix the other points you have made.

TomMasterReal (talk) 03:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

List of winners of Triple Crown of Motorsport racesEdit

Nominator(s): EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

The Triple Crown of Motorsport is an unofficial achievement for motor racing drivers that consists of victory in the three most prestigious races in all of motorsport, the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the Indianapolis 500 and the Monaco Grand Prix. This list has the names of every driver who has won a Triple Crown race, including Graham Hill who is the only driver to complete the Triple Crown of Motorsport. Looking forward to all comments on this list! EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "and the Monaco Grand Prix street circuit race for Formula One cars at the Circuit de Monaco contested annually" - this wording makes it sound like the other two are not held annually
  • "took over driving duties from Harroun (1911), Dawson (1912), Milton (1923) and DePaolo (1925), respectively" - don't think that last comma is needed
  • "Ford decided to stage a photo finish and the Automobile Club de l'Ouest declared Amon and McLaren the 1966 winners" - I would change this to "Ford decided to stage a photo finish but the Automobile Club de l'Ouest declared Amon and McLaren the 1966 winners" as (if I have interpreted the source correctly) the decision scuppered Ford's attempt to engineer a dead heat. Is that right.....?
    • Reworded the sentence slightly little from the change suggested EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 19:16, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Think that's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

List of bibliographies of works on CatullusEdit

Nominator(s): Umimmak (talk) 02:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Catullus was a hugely influential Roman poet whose Carmina are largely known to modern times because of a single manuscript from c. 1300. The first printed book of Catullus's poetry was published in 1472. Thousands of publications about him and his poetry and its legacy have appeared since then, and dozens of works have attempted to bring some sort of order to the sea of scholarship by listing, cataloging, indexing, and summarizing the books and papers about him. This article is an annotated list of these bibliographies which have been identified as being bibliographies of Catullus in third-party sources.

I realize Wikipedia does not have many "metabibliographies"; initially I was planning to do just a Bibliography of works on Catullus but as I was compiling sources to consider using for that, I realized that many sources specifically classified and discussed bibliographies of Catullus as a category of works unto itself. A full bibliography of works on Catullus I think is a monumental task, hence the number of works attempting to do this. I would like to see more topical bibliographies on Wikipedia in general; per WP:BIB these do belong on Wikipedia provided the category of bibliographies on that topic is notable, but I couldn't find too many examples to model this article off of (though see Bibliography of works on Madonna). I am nominating this for featured list because I think this is a great example of what topic bibliographies (Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies#Topical bibliographies) and indeed other metabibliographies could look like on Wikipedia. I've done a ton of research for this, and have followed a strict inclusion criterion where every entry on the list is referenced as belonging in this category by a third-party source, and all annotations are sourced to third-party sources as well.

That said, this is my first attempt at a featured list and I haven't found really any FLs which I could use as a model. I've asked WT:BIB for advice but it's unfortunately less active these days. I realize I might have to tweak a few things, but am happy to make this article the best it can be with your feedback and advice.

Thanks! Umimmak (talk) 02:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

List of Billboard number-one R&B songs of 1958Edit

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Here's my latest nomination from the history of Billboard's R&B charts. In this particular year two flash-in-the-pan acts each reached number one with their only hit ever, and Elvis gained his last R&B chart-topper before his music drifted off in other directions..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Source reviewEdit

  • All of the citations come from reliable, high-quality sources, particularly in the context a music list, and they are all structured appropriately.
  • It is not a requirement for a FL, but I would still encourage archiving web citations, such as Citation 10, to avoid any headaches with potential ink rot and death.
  • Ron Wynn should be linked in Citation 9 and Richie Unterberger should be linked in Citation 3.
  • I have done a brief spot-check and everything appears to be supported by the citations.

I hope that this review was helpful. I thought it would be nice to get the source review out of the way at the start. Once my relatively nitpick-y point about two author links in the citations is addressed, I will be more than happy to pass this source review. Best of luck with the FLC! Aoba47 (talk) 22:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

List of Lebanon international footballers born outside LebanonEdit

Nominator(s): Nehme1499 00:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

With more Lebanese living outside of Lebanon than inside, the national football team has reflected this statistic by increasingly using more foreign-born players in their roster. From the Armenian diaspora to today, I managed to gather quite a bit of interesing information. Nehme1499 00:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !Country of birth [...] becomes !scope=col | Country of birth, with each header cell on its own wikitext line. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |{{BRA}} becomes !scope=row |{{BRA}}, again with the header cells on their own line. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 16:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
@PresN: Thanks for the review, I think I've taken care of everything (dif). Nehme1499 20:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "At the 2000 AFC Asian Cup, the LFA naturalised" - I doubt they did this literally at the tournament
    • Changed to "In preparation for the 2000 AFC Asian Cup". Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
  • "as of 2021, Lebanon is" - 2021 will soon be two years ago, so better to say "was"
  • "Armenian player Vardan Ghazaryan was the Lebanon national team's leading goalscorer" - full stop missing
  • "After Homenetmen and Homenmen were relegated to the lower divisions in the early 2000s, Armenian presence in the national team fell" => "After Homenetmen and Homenmen were relegated to the lower divisions in the early 2000s, he Armenian presence in the national team fell"
    • Added "the". Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
  • No need to link Lebanese diaspora twice in consecutive sentences
  • "This is a list of football players" - don't bold that last part
  • I think it would add to the article if the number of caps and goals was shown against each player, rather than it just being a list of names
    • I could do that, though how do you suggest formatting it? Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
      • I'd suggest a fairly simple table of country > player name > caps > goals. Maybe date range of international career? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
        • @ChrisTheDude: Done. Do you think the two tables should be kept under a single subheading? Nehme1499 17:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
          • I think it looks OK right now. One point, though - the list of players should sort based on surname, not forename -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:25, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
  • That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
    • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review! I've taken care of everything (bar the caps+goals request). Nehme1499 16:02, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
  • One final thing - now that the caps and goals figures have been added to the first table, the figure for Antar is different to both the second table and his image caption.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
    • @ChrisTheDude: Hmm, not sure how that slipped through. I've fixed that as well. Nehme1499 11:30, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Lodestar Award for Best Young Adult BookEdit

Nominator(s): PresN 23:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Way back in 2010/2011, I pushed an entire set of a 15 lists through FLC around the Hugo Awards, oft-considered the premier award in scifi/fantasy literature. Since then, there's been a trickle of new categories/lists: one in 2012 (FL'd in 2015), one in 2017 (FL'd in 2021), and now this one from 2018: the "not a Hugo but looks like one if you squint" Lodestar Award for Best Young Adult Book. This category is for scifi/fantasy young adult fiction novels, and follows all of the same nominating/voting rules as a regular Hugo category; it gets relegated to being a separate award as a compromise as it's for a "genre" of work instead of a "type", like novels vs. short stories. In any case, it's long enough now to have some size to it, and follows the pattern set down by the other 17 Hugo lists, and to a lesser extent the other sff awards lists I've also done over the years. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 23:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "The books on the ballot are the six most-nominated by members that year, with no limit on the number of stories that can be nominated" - pedantically, "stories" should probably be "books", as the nominations are for books, which could contain multiple stories
  • I can't remember how you formatted your Hugo lists, but is there the possibility of adding images? We appear to have images available of several of the winners to date.....
  • Think that's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Changed to books; I don't usually have images on these unless I have a free-use logo or photo of the award (none available here, sadly) or an image of a recipient actually getting the award/at the ceremony, so that the image is more than just decoration, and in this case I'm coming up empty. --PresN 15:34, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. In that case happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

List of English translations of the Divine ComedyEdit

Nominator(s): The Midnite Wolf (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it has become one of the best translation-related lists on Wikipedia. It is as comprehensive as it can reasonably be, having been sourced from multiple high-quality bibliographies, and has a compelling lead section describing the history of the subject. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Published [...] becomes !scope=col | Published , with each header cell on its own wikitext line. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1782 becomes !scope=row | 1782, again with the header cells on their own line. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 16:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
    @PresN Done! Feel free to review the source to make sure everything was done correctly The Midnite Wolf (talk) 23:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments by UmimmakEdit

@The Midnite Wolf: This is my first set of comments on an FLC; I don't really have any experience with FLCs but I have some thoughts which might be useful.

  • What are your inclusion criteria? I see you include self-published and unpublished translations such as Urquhart (1895) -- are there other unpublished translations you've come across but decided not to include for a particular reason or is this truly meant to be exhaustive? Or is something included only if it was mentioned by Cunningham or one of the yearly bibliographies by the Dante Society of America's bibliography or the Società Dantesca Italiana.
  • I don't think I need to be told how to access the SDI's English page; to me it's more important that I can replicate your search to verify results. Presumably you just went to Dante Alighieri > Works > Commedia (Comedy) > Languages > American English and English, and what, just selected every book? I'm seeing this database also brings up a lot of scholarly articles about particular translations -- some more of these might be useful for annotations.
  • I think in general I'd like better in-line sourcing for each entry (not just individual annotations). If a reader goes to any line, I think, ideally, they would be able to tell what page of Cunningham you got it from, or which year's bibliography for the DSA, or if you used the SDI's database, or some other source.
  • Also regarding in-line citations, you have a few footnotes to entire books to support single statements; presumably a specific page is providing you that information, not the entire book.
  • This is about translations, I suppose, not individual volumes. But as a reader, I'd like to see more about the individual books. What's the ISBN for modern translations? Is it a bilingual edition (I know FSG's edition of Pinsky's translation is)? Is it a critical edition? Is there commentary? A bibliography? You sometimes mention reprints and republications, but not always. You mention the introduction in the reprint to Anderson translation -- why are no other introductions mentioned? So is your article about translations, or editions and publications of these translations, if that distinction makes sense.
  • In general what does a range of years mean for the published column mean? You're presumably just providing information about the first edition, no? (And since the column is "Published", you really should clarify in the cell for Urquhart.)
  • No titles for the translations? I realize there will be a lot of similar ones and it might duplicate "Parts translated" but it might be worth having the actual title (e.g., FSG's edition of Pinsky is The Inferno of Dante: A New Verse Translation)
  • In general take a second look at reference formatting:
    • You're inconsistent with how you deal with dates, both in formatting and level of specificity (e.g., Holekamp's dissertation is May 1985 but Zanobini's is 2016-10-26.)
    • There are some inaccuracies; Dante did not edit Barbarese's 2009 article for The Sewanee Review.
    • |url= in a citation template implies free access (without |url-access=subscription); and it's redundant with |jstor= or {{para|doi} or |hdl=
    • It seems you've automatically let the citation manager do it for you; sometimes the automatically generated title includes information better put in |website=, |department= or |date=.
    • ISBNs aren't consistently hyphenated.
    • What's your rationale for when you include ISSN and OCLC or not?
    • Use an en dash, not a hyphen for page ranges (and year ranges too for that matter.) (MOS:RANGE)
  • Why do you sometimes cite Cunningham's manuscript? Is this an ease-of-access thing or is there some information that did not make it to the final printed version? I sort of feel you shouldn't be citing a draft version unless there's very good reason for it...
  • See MOS:FLAGCRUFT, these translators are not representing their countries.

This isn't a source review and these aren't the most specific comments or thorough review I realize, and again I don't know anything about FLCs, but these were just some initial thoughts I had as to how to make this a quality list. Umimmak (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

  • @Umimmak I didn't make the list, but the inclusion criteria seems to follow Cunningham's. The criteria isn't that it was widely published but that it hasn't been lost. There's at least one available version of Urquhart. Looking back now, the citation in Cunningham's bibliography has "Privately printed" in place of a publisher, so the publisher column here should say that instead.
  • Close. Dante Alighieri > Works > Commedia (Comedy) > Editions > Complete work, as it's quicker to see whether or not a work is in English from the citation than whether or not it's complete (and the pdf it produces is 5 pages shorter). That said, I'll go through some of the scholarly articles from Languages > English. I can also add the shortcut to the citation.
  • Adding references for the entries taken from Cunningham is probably a good idea. It would take a bit of time but I'll get around to it soon. Which year's bibliography for entries from the DSA should be self evident from the year published, and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a good way to cite SDI's list.
  • I assume most of these are for Cunningham 1964. The lack of specific page numbers is because I'm relying on my university library's copy, so some of it was added from memory when I didn't have access. I'll check it out again and add page numbers when I have time (hopefully this week).
  • Agreed. I'll go through later (tomorrow ?) and add a ref. column with this information.
  • It's for writers who translated the Comedy in full but did the cantiche in separate years. For example, Ciardi's Inferno was published in 1954, but his Paradiso wasn't published until 1970. Wrt to Urquhart, "privately printed" fixes this.
  • I was experimenting last night with a potential fix for this and the above issue. It removes "nationality" to save space, but it adds location to the publisher column, which is arguably more informative anyway. Feedback welcome.
  • The rational for including ISSN's is whether or not the source seems to have one. To be completely honest I don't fully understand what they are, so feel free to add any that I may have missed. Other than that, all of these issues have now been fixed (I think)
  • Ease of access. My university library only has the second volume and I couldn't find first at my local bookstore. I also made a lot of edits over the summer when I didn't have access to either volume. From what I read, the final edition and the manuscript aren't too different, with the only exception being that the final edition has information from 1954–1966 and an a proper afterword
  • Done
Thanks so much for the thorough review!! Don't worry too much about not knowing the specific FLC criteria, most of it is common sense and seems intentionally somewhat vague. I saw that you posted an article in FLC as well, I'll try and review that sometime this week. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 07:35, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Esmée Denters discographyEdit

Nominator(s): Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

This is the discography of Esmée Denters, who came to prominence after posting song covers on YouTube. After working on this discography for a few months, I believe it is now up to FL standards. Looking forward to your comments! Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "who signed her with his record label" => "who signed her to his record label"
  • "The song received a gold certification in New Zealand and a silver one in the United Kingdom" => "The song was certified gold in New Zealand and silver in the United Kingdom"
  • "She was also a featuring artist" => "She was also a featured artist"
  • "Under the mononym Esmée, 3 Beat Records released in the same year her single "It's Summer Because We Say So"" = > "In the same year, 3 Beat Records released her single "It's Summer Because We Say So", credited under the mononym Esmée"
  • Think that's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
    @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for reviewing! I believe I addressed everything. Sebbirrrr (talk) 15:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

The Microphones discographyEdit

Nominator(s): — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I am creating a good topic from the Microphones studio albums. The Microphones is a independent band, and has never charted, so the discography is a little different from most bands. They have many miscellaneous albums which I grouped into one category, since their attributes aren't mutually exclusive (e.g. there are some demo albums, and some compilation albums, but 2 compilation albums of demos. How do you split that into sub-sections). — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • The allmusic ratings are unnecessary as pretty much all featured lists of discographies don't have them, and a chart position column should be added if any of their albums have charted (even if it wasn't on the main Billboard 100 chart). Other than that, it looks good! The Midnite Wolf (talk) 20:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
    @The Midnite Wolf: Hi! The reason I added the AllMusic ratings is because none of their albums have charted. Since AllMusic has rated their releases more than any publication by far, I thought it made sense to show them to the reader, since it provides extra context on how the albums were perceived. I'm willing to remove it, but I sort of want a better rationale than to be consistent with other articles: all subjects are different and so the content they require will naturally vary.
    I looked to see if the band has charted, and couldn't find anything. If anyone has any resources or advice for places to look that would be great. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • While I appreciate that all numbers in the first sentence are written as digits so as to be written the same way, "Between 1996 to 1998, Elverum released 6 demos" - looks odd in isolation and could reasonably be changed
  • "The CD Tests released in June 1998 and was compiled" => either "The CD Tests was released in June 1998 and was compiled" or "The CD Tests, released in June 1998, was compiled" but not what is currently there
  • "The band's first studio album, Don't Wake Me Up, released on K Records in August 1999 and gave the band a small following" => "The band's first studio album, Don't Wake Me Up, was released on K Records in August 1999 and gave the band a small following"
  • "Two more 7-inches released in 1999" => "Two more 7-inches were released in 1999"
  • "The extended play Window: released in February 2000" => "The extended play Window: was released in February 2000"
  • "In September 2000, the studio album It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water released on K" => "In September 2000, the studio album It Was Hot, We Stayed in the Water was released on K"
  • "The Glow Pt. 2 released on K in September 2001" => "The Glow Pt. 2 was released on K in September 2001" (I sense a pattern emerging here :-))
  • "Two 7-inches released in 2001" => "Two 7-inches were released in 2001"
  • "The limited-copy album Little Bird Flies Into A Big Black Cloud was released in September 2002, and the single compilation album Song Islands was released in August" - August of which year? If it was 2002, why is it mentioned after an album which came out later in the year?
  • "Foghorn Tape released in March 2021" => "Foghorn Tape was released in March 2021"
  • "In February 2022, Completely Everything, 1996 - 2021 released" => "In February 2022, Completely Everything, 1996 - 2021 was released"
  • Two of the demos were apparently released under totally different names - this should probably be mentioned in the lead (assuming they belong on the list at all.......?)
    • Yeah, it's tricky, since it was essentially the same musical project, but not really. They're such obscure releases that there's barely any mention in sources, and its all after the fact. Elverum re-released 5 of the demos on digital (not sure why he didn't do the X-Ray Means Woman one, since it definitely exists), implying that they belong to a set by the same artist. Also, Early Tapes, the compilation of demos by the Microphones includes a track from the Mostly Clouds and Trees release; it kind of just seems like a pseudonym. But I found a source I hadn't seen before X-Ray Means Woman and Mostly Clouds and Trees made way for Elverum to begin naming his project the Microphones after developing an interpersonal relationship with his recording equipment and a deep reward in putting songs to tape. (KEXP, 2020) implying that the 2 demos aren't part of the Microphones. I think I might just remove them, and leave a footnote somewhere. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 03:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
    Now removed. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 03:07, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • First of those two has no source to confirm its existence
  • Note such as "Compilation album of "singles and rarities"." which are not complete sentences so not need full stops
  • Song Islands is listed in the table after a later release
  • Notes a and c don't need full stops
  • Note b should write 2 as a word
  • That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
    @ChrisTheDude: Thanks so much for the comments :). Sorry about the "was released" vs "released" thing, had a brain fart. All the above done except noted. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:50, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support - never heard of this band/project before I reviewed the list, but off the back of the review I listened to Microphones in 2020 last night and enjoyed it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
    Thank you! That's awesome you checked out that album— it's a great album. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 17:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Serie A Player of the MonthEdit

Nominator(s): Dr Salvus 21:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

30 awards have been assigned as of 18 November 2022. It's acceptable that it isn't very big. Dr Salvus 21:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "The winner is chosen by a combination of an online public vote" - a combination of this and what else? You can't have a combination of one thing.
Removed the "a combination of" I had mistakenly inserted.   Done
  • "contending five players" => "involving five players"

  Done

  • "The five players who take part to the pool" => "The five nominated players"

  Done

  • No reason for EA Sports to be in all capitals

  Done

  • Need a comma after Ronaldo to end the clause

  Done

  • "No player has won the award on two consecutive months" => "No player has won the award in two consecutive months"

  Done

  • "or in the same season" => "or twice in the same season"

  Done

  • "....the same season but Gómez and Ronaldo are the only players to win two trophies in one calendar year" => "...the same season; Gómez and Ronaldo are the only players to win two trophies in one calendar year"

  Done

  • "to win the reward on two consecutive months" => "to win the award in two consecutive months"

  Done

  • "Ten midfileders" - last word is spelt wrong

  Done

  • "the most rappresented" - last word is spelt wrong

  Done. I got confused with Italian word for represented.

  • I would just have a single column for month and year, as being able to sort by both month and year looks weird - why would you want to sort all the Septembers together?

  Done. Premier League Player of the Months too has this problem

  • "As of February 2022 award." - presume this is wrong? Also it doesn't need a full stop

  Done

Not done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  • "As of October 2022 award." (in two places) - doesn't need a full stop

  Done

Not done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  • No need for a "see also" to Serie A as it is already linked in the article

  Done

  • Publisher of refs 1 and 3 is the same but you show it differently

  Done

  • Ref 2 gives no publisher info at all

  Done

  • Don't show title of ref 3 in all caps

  Done

In these moments, I am busy. I will do this as soon as possible. Dr Salvus 17:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Have decided to sleep less to do this work. Dr Salvus 23:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  Done. I had made the edits in question but I think I forgot to save them. Dr Salvus 09:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
@ChrisTheDude anything??? Dr Salvus 16:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
One point I missed above: what's the point of the note "Players marked   shared the award with another player." when as far as I can see this has never happened? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  Done Dr Salvus 19:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
@ChrisTheDude still nothing? Moise Kean got his November award yesterday, so I've changed something. Dr Salvus 16:01, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
The first column does not sort correctly. If I sort on any other column and then re-sort on the first one, the order becomes September 2019 > January 2020 > January 2021 > January 2022 > October 2019 > February 2020 etc, which makes no sense -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Also, I've now looked at the refs and ref 4 does not source the columns where it is used. For example, if I click the magnifying glass on the Serie A site and type in "Frank Ribery" (which is not the correct spelling of his name, BTW), I get two articles: one about how he did the most dribbles on one matchday in November 2021 and one wishing him a happy birthday in April 2022, so nothing confirming that he was a forward, or that he's French, or that he played for Fiorentina when he won the award in 2019...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 16:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
  •   Done Dr Salvus 16:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Struway2Edit

  • In the lead, better to display and link "association football" at first mention;
  • link playing positions and clubs at first mention;
  • and say what Serie A is: top tier of Italian football, or whatever: we're aiming at the general reader, not the football fan;
  • The month and year column doesn't sort in chronological order.
  • Ref #3 (the one at the top of the player column) links to the Italian-language version of the site; as it has an English-language version, could you link to that instead.
  • I don't understand how ref #4 (the one at the top of the club, nationality and playing position columns) sources all those columns for every recipient of the award. Taking Radja Nainggolan (November 2019) as an example: visiting the Lega Serie A site, clicking on the magnifying glass and typing the player's name in, I get a page with links to 52 articles. What am I missing?
  • Enough for now. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
    I am busy, I don't know when I'm going to do it. Dr Salvus 21:14, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Older nominationsEdit

Basshunter videographyEdit

Nominator(s): Eurohunter (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Basshunter videograhy was previously nominated after successful nomination of Basshunter discography. It previously passed GOCE. Structure is after similar featured lists. Since previous nomination a lot of primary sources to YouTube were replaced with a secondary sources. Eurohunter (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments from PresNEdit

  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! width="230" rowspan="2"| Title becomes !scope=col width="230" rowspan="2"| Title. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead. Right now you have on for the "Peak chart positions" cell, but none of the others
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 15:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

50th Anniversary of the Republic SculpturesEdit

Nominator(s): Gazozlu (talk) 20:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a finished and complete list. It gives a good impression of the scope of these 20 sculptures and a quick overview of what happened to the ones that are no longer around. Gazozlu (talk) 20:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Drive-by commentEdit

  • Move the refs to their own column. The rows where there are no notes look weird with the refs floating in the middle of a massive cell -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:38, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
    Took care of that issue. Also another option is to introduce another column with the material of the sculpture, (i.e. Concrete, bronze). Do you think that would be a good addition ... or too much? Gazozlu (talk) 11:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Also a drive-by from me: avoid using allcaps in sources (such as "TÜRK KÜLTÜRÜNDE BEDEN VE "GÜZEL İSTANBUL" OLAYI"). ~StyyxTalk? 21:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
    Took care of this issue. I have also added a materials column now. Gazozlu (talk) 22:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

More commentsEdit

  • The caption of the image in the lead does not need a full stop. Also, it is usual to place the lead image right at the top, not after the first paragraph of test
  • Merge tiny second paragraph with the one after
  • "The result of the project were" => "The result of the project was" (result is a singular word)
  • "Güzel İstanbul, by Gürdal Duyar, was found....." - this is an absolute monster of a sentence which takes up almost the whole paragraph. Can you break it up?
  • "Yağmur by Ferit Özşen suffered nature's wrath" - this is poetic wording not suitable for an encyclopedia. Just say "Yağmur by Ferit Özşen was damaged by [whatever damaged it]"
  • "Attacked and damaged for years and eventually removed in 2016." - not a sentence so doesn't need a full stop
  • "about its appropriteness" => "about its appropriateness"
  • "Removed in 1987 when the road parallel to the beach was widened." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Stolen the same day[3] or a week after[16] it was inaugurated." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "In front of the Hilton Hotel in Harbiye." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Lost in 1979 during the construction of a preferential road." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "the last being front of the Yellow Kiosk" => "the last being in front of the Yellow Kiosk"
  • "Removed in 1985 during organisations of the Fındıklı Park." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Lost in 1980." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Stolen by scrap dealers[3] or was otherwise removed in 1986." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Removed from Gülhane Park in 1984 by the Parks and Gardens Directorate." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Removed during renovation of the park." - doesn't need a full stop
  • "Hüseyin Anka Özkans Yankı was worked on for 6 hours" => "Hüseyin Anka Özkans' Yankı was worked on for six hours"
  • "Within the scope of the restorations the sculptures to be restored till the end of 2012" - that was ten years ago, but the wording talks about it in terms of a future plan. Did this definitely happen?
  • That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks for your comments. I have implemented your points. Gazozlu (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

List of commelinid familiesEdit

Nominator(s): - Dank (push to talk) 22:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because ... I could really use the feedback on this major undertaking. I never know what people are going to want to talk about most, so I'll keep this intro short until I get a better sense of what the big issues are (if any), then I'll add that discussion to the intro. Enjoy! - Dank (push to talk) 22:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC) Almost forgot: thanks to Jts1882 for creating both of the cladograms. - Dank (push to talk) 11:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • My only comment is that there's a lot of duplicate links on non-woody, bracts, etc. As this isn't a sortable list, I don't think the terms need to be linked every time....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
    • I'm confused. The Notes column isn't sortable, but all the other columns are ... so wouldn't that move the rows up and down, which would require adding links to each row? - Dank (push to talk) 21:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
      • D'oh - I hadn't noticed that, my apologies. In that case support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility commentEdit

I don't have an accessibility concerns about the table, but I do have one about the cladograms: the orange text (which to be fair I just added, since you had it with the alismatids highlighted in green instead of this clade) is not accessible against a white background. I checked darkorange as well and it isn't much better; I think you need to switch to darkred or another dark color for it to be parseable. I know you have this cladogram in a few different articles/lists, so I'll leave it up to you which color to switch to. --PresN 21:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I went with basic black. - Dank (push to talk) 21:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Eewilson inputEdit

Good start! First round thoughts in no particular order:

  • Don't wikilink section headers; referring to Cladograms which is Wikilinked.
  • Make the "sentences" before each cladogram actual sentences. Currently, they are: [see what I did there?]
    • Removed.
  • I think lists work best when they are simple, consistent, and the reader knows what to expect and where to expect it. I think a paragraph of prose within a list doesn't work; as a reader, that's not what I'm expecting from a list. I want a quick reference so I can either quickly compare what is in the list or an ability to quickly identify what article I am seeking. When I was working on the one I did last year, I had so much detail at first. It's laughable how long it took to load in my sandbox. More ideas on how to keep important items in the list but not make readers' eyes gloss over in a bit.
    • I'm not sure I follow ... most Featured Lists include paragraphs. But I just created an extra column and moved distribution info out of Notes and into that new column, so there's that. Per feedback in the previous list in this series, I moved the etymology information into the Notes column; I can give details if you want them.
  • Look at it in the app on a phone, particularly one like an iPhone 8 with a smaller screen. Use portrait mode, not landscape. The image column is not what you want it to be and it looks sloppy.
  • This may be a shortcoming of the app, the app and {{CSS image crop}} not playing well together, an inability of {{CSS image crop}} to deal with the squished column rendered on the small screen, or something else. You may have to work around it or even use something other than {{CSS image crop}}. I don't know.
    • Thanks much, I had missed that it wasn't working on smart phones. I've increased the "min-width", and the images now display correctly on my iPhone and in small windows on my laptop, in both mobile view and desktop view. Let me know if it's not working for you.
  • Regarding images in a table, I think the best look is to have the images all the same height and width. The second best is the same width even if heights are different, but because they are in one column, that can look messy both in a browser and in the app, as mentioned.
    • I don't think I follow ... all the images in the table should be the same width, 120px. Are they not?
  • Possibly separate the images into two columns.
    • I did that initially in the first list in the series and had to go back and change it; it failed miserably on smart phones and in smaller windows.
  • Possibly have only one image, which might be the best option.
    • That's pretty much the opposite of the advice I've gotten so far. When possible, the left images focus on the flowers, and the right images focus on habit and habitat. Almost none of the images do a good job of displaying everything.
  • It took me too long to figure out what the column "Genera for the order and family" is telling me. Three facts are cramped into one column: the order the family is in, the total number of genera in that order, and the total number of genera in this family. I think "Order" would be a good column by itself, the number of genera in the order, while interesting, may be out of scope; the number of genera in the family is interesting and deserves its own little column. (If your columns are simple and your header is "Order", then "order" doesn't need to be in each row; another column "Number of genera" would not need anything but the number.)
    • Order column: done. I moved the number of genera to the first column.
  • saving then will continue...

Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

  • Another thought on the number of genera in the order is it could be a maintenance and consistency issue between the order articles and the family list. Further, if the Order and Number of genera [in family] columns are broken up, each could be sortable.
    • See below.
  • From "Notes" column, "Etymology", "Distribution and habitat" [brief], and [super short] "Description" could each be a column. "Notes" could include things like "One species, Syngonanthus nitens, is used in handicrafts."
    • See below.
  • Nothing in the columns needs to be in a complete sentence, so articles and other nonessential words could be left out to save space.
  • I didn't know there was a whole family of prayer plants!
  • Add a Legend.
    • I should be finished with this in a few minutes.
  • Add prose for the cladograms describing them (not in the form of an alt like for an image, but as if each cladogram were an article, if that makes sense). You could change the section to "Classification" because it ought to cover a bit more than the cladograms. They need an introduction. See List of Symphyotrichum species#Classification for one example, but I'm sure there are many other better examples.
    • Removed.
  • Okay, that's all for now.

Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

  • Move the cladograms before the list and below the Key/Legend.
    • Removed. Thanks for everything. - Dank (push to talk) 20:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
Longer replies to ElizabethEdit
  • Shorter replies will appear in-line above as I do them.
  • The big problem is that I can only make a small change to the table column format ... I don't think it's going to cause any problems to add one column, and I'll get to work on that now ... probably best would be a "distribution" column (but I'll have to test it). Adding more than one will cause an accessibility problem ... let me explain. PresN and I struggled with the formats for a while at User:Dank/Sandbox/9 and on his talk page. I need 120% zoom for my less-than-perfect vision ... a lot of people do. When you crowd in two images and lots of columns at 120%, and add the "min-width" parameters that will avoid significant problems with the display on smaller screens, it starts crowding the "notes" column to the point where you'll have a tall, thin notes column and lots and lots of white space, and usually the images start jumping around too. So, I think I probably won't need the Legends table ... that's a good suggestion when you have a lot of narrow columns, but I won't.
  • I'd probably rather keep the cladograms after the table ... but it's your call. I'm a believer in not creating pages in article-space unless the pages serve an actual purpose. The purpose of this list is to make some botanical things easier to read for non-botanists. If the reader wants to wade through a sentence that begins "The orders of monocots based on molecular phylogenetic evidence according to the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group IV", great, but this list is for readers who might not understand a single word in that sentence ... but who do understand things like flowers, leaves, species, genera, and basic geography, and who are willing to dig in and try to understand a bit more. So ... I can put the cladograms before the table, but if I do that, most of the explanation for what the cladograms mean will have to go into notes that follow the table. If you're on board with that, tell me, and I'll make the edit. - Dank (push to talk) 15:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Just skip it for now. Do the cladograms need to be in the list article? Wouldn’t they be more appropriate for the clade article (or others of your choosing)? I’m on my phone and preparing for sleep soon without plans to open my laptop again, so I can’t look at it well right now. But I wonder if they could just be moved out if you want to keep it simple. I do like the idea of making this available to a wide audience. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
      • If that's what you'd prefer, it's not a problem, I've removed them. - Dank (push to talk) 20:37, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
    • The purpose of a legend table would be to allow you to use abbreviated/shortened headers in the main table and give explanations in the legend Table. Number of genera could be called Genera but a legend and even tooltip could explain the detail of that column. This could make skinny columns. Also, consider just one image. The two take up valuable column space. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 03:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

I need 133% in my browser, btw, so I can relate. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 04:09, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

  • Heh, finally! When I discussed this at WT:FLC years ago people looked at me like "What is he on about?" All your suggestions sound sensible, btw ... I'm going to be conservative in my first set of edits (I don't want to keep redo-ing) then put the ball back in your court ... I'm really not sure about the legend, so it won't make the cut for the first set of edits, but if you still want it later on we can add it. - Dank (push to talk) 04:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
E repliesEdit
Image line up problemEdit

I hear what you are saying about having two images, and it was immediately noticeable to me that the first one is intended to be a close-up of an inflorescence or related, and the other farther away/habit. On images, now I see what's happening and making it mess up (although the "why" is above my pay grade). I'll show it with bits of code that work and those that don't, and I'll explain what I see in the browser compared to the Wikipedia app. I think the fix is simple and may not change what the browser user sees.

Code for some that work... it just uses standard [[File:]].

| style="padding: 2px; text-align: center"| ''[[Costus pictus]]'' <br/>[[File:Costus_pictus_01.jpg|alt="Costus pictus"|120px|''Costus pictus''|left]] [[File:Costus_malortieanus_004.jpg|alt="Costus pictus"|''Costus pictus''|120px|right]]

and

| style="padding: 2px; text-align: center"| ''[[Dasypogon bromeliifolius]]''<br/>[[File:Dasypogonbromeliifolius11478493874 274a47fb41 o.jpg|120px|''Dasypogon bromeliifolius''|alt="Dasypogon bromeliifolius"|left]] [[File:Dasypogon bromeliifolius 27452923429 b80d2f0332 o.jpg|120px|alt="Dasypogon bromeliifolius"|''Dasypogon bromeliifolius''|right]]

and

| style="padding: 2px; text-align: center"| ''[[Ecdeiocolea monostachya]]''<br/>[[File:Ecdeiocolea monostachya - Flickr - Kevin Thiele.jpg|120px|''Ecdeiocolea monostachya''|alt="Ecdeiocolea monostachya"|left]] [[File:Ecdeiocolea monostachya - Flickr - Kevin Thiele (1).jpg|120px|alt="Ecdeiocolea monostachya"|''Ecdeiocolea monostachya''|right]]

and so on all work fine. What they show in the app on my iPhone 8 in that column is species name with link, then below that the first image with caption (which shows up as a tooltip in a browser on my MacBook Pro – I use Firefox), then below that the second image with caption (same tooltip note for browser).

The ones using {{CSS image crop}} do not. Here is what happens, depending on which one uses that template.

| style="padding: 2px; text-align: center"| ''[[Areca catechu]]''<br/>
{{CSS image crop
|Image         = Betel tree.jpg
|bSize          = 150
|cWidth        = 120
|oLeft           = 20
|Location      = left
|Alt               = ''Areca catechu''
}}
[[File:Areca catechu 2.jpg|120px|alt="Areca catechu"|''Areca catechu''|right]]

and

| style="padding: 2px; text-align: center"| ''[[Bromelia pinguin]]''<br/>
{{CSS image crop
|Image         = Tem aspecto de tecido essa bromelia.jpg
|bSize          = 120
|cHeight        = 180
|oTop           = 0
|Location      = left
|Alt               = ''Bromelia pinguin''
}}
[[File:Bromelia pinguin.JPG|120px|alt="Bromelia pinguin"|''Bromelia pinguin''|right]]

for example, show the first images moved left about 50% and slightly higher, showing their "placeholder" boxes, which you can actually see. In dark or light mode, the "placeholder" box is gray. The whole thing is quite ugly, although a bit interesting.

If the second image uses {{CSS image crop}} rather than the first (I think there are only two that are like this), a similar thing occurs, but no "placeholder" box shows and the image is moved 50% to the right.

| style="padding: 2px; text-align: center"| ''[[Poa pratensis]]''<br/>[[File:20150515Poa pratensis4.jpg|120px|''Poa pratensis''|alt="Poa pratensis"|left]]
{{CSS image crop
|Image         = Poa pratensis (3883809159).jpg
|bSize          = 180
|cWidth        = 120
|oLeft           = 10
|Location      = right
|Alt               = ''Areca catechu''
}}

In all instances where {{CSS image crop}} is used, there is no caption to the image. The species name with Wikilink is still above the images, as designed.

My recommendation is to cease using {{CSS image crop}}. I don't know its purpose, so I could be off base here. (Minor note of the copy/paste error for Poa pratensis... the alt in the CSS image crop says Areca catechu.)

Will save for now and let you look at that. Not sure I'm going to do anymore tonight. I haven't had a chance to dig into your replies.

Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Found some free images of Thurnia sphaerocephala on iNatEdit

Hey, Dank. I found some free images of Thurnia sphaerocephala on iNat. We don't currently have any (that I can see) for that species on Commons. You could use a couple for Thurniaceae instead of the other species if you wish (that's !not! a requirement for FL). If interested, I can upload them quite quickly. Assuming you'd want a bloom/inflorescence and plant/habitat. There are good photos of both with a Commons-compatible license. Let me know. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Fantastic, yes please! - Dank (push to talk) 01:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
They are up and in the Commons Category Thurnia. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 01:22, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Found some more free images on iNatEdit

I have found Rapatea paludosa (flower and plant, and same size just like the Thurnia sphaerocephala ones you used), Costus pictus plant in the wild rather than a greenhouse, Areca catechu photos that you may want to peruse (the ones in the list are okay, but there may be some better ones), some really cool photos of a close up of the flower of Dasypogon bromeliifolius, possibly good photo of Ecdeiocolea monostachya in its habitat showing whole plant, can probably find a good image of Eriocaulon decangulare in its environment to replace the illustration if desired, an amazing set of Haemodorum corymbosum photos, can probably find a photo of Maranta arundinacea that is not a potted plant but is in the wild, possibly some portrait photos of Mayaca fluviatilis so they will be larger in the list, same of Strelitzia reginae, and hopefully same of Xyris gracilis. If interested, scream yes and I will work on these within the next day or so. I like to wastespend time looking for and uploading images when my brain gets fried. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 17:31, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Those are all good calls I think. Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 18:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Image updates (I volunteer as tribute to do any adjustments to images as needed and as I suggest below, if you agree. Earlier, when I said images look best when they are the same size, with this list, the same size [as in perspective] per cell and portrait view will work best. Enjoy reading.)

Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 03:54, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

    • Thanks for doing that, feel free to make the edits to the list as you see fit. (And if you'd like to find images for the asterids later on, you're welcome to do those too!) I clicked on all your links above and had no problems with them. I agree that the Maranta image is a hard call ... the existing image makes it easier to see the habit and individual leaves, but your image has the plants in a natural environment. Your call. I'm headed off to bed btw. - Dank (push to talk) 05:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments from The ed17Edit

  • Shouldn't refs 1, 2, 13, 19, 30, 41, and 58 have page numbers? WP:PAGENUM doesn't suggest that there's an exception for dictionaries or encyclopedias.
    • I would lose all 11 featured lists I did before last month if that were true, so I hope it isn't true. (I'd lose them because I made the pages as long as they could be without running into problems, roughly speaking, so that I wouldn't need to subdivide the lists into too many pages, and I found that adding several unnecessary templates or html tags on up to 1000+ rows put me over the limit in some cases. This list isn't that long, but I'd prefer to use the same formats between lists for easier portability, if possible.) Several reviewers gave it some thought and decided it was fine ... I can dig up those conversations if it would help. - Dank (push to talk)
  • Does "clade" need to be used without explanation in the first sentence? I worry that the unfamiliar term makes the article less accessible for a general reader, forcing them to click through to learn what it is before navigating back here.
    • Changed it to "a group of 29 interrelated ..."
  • Also on readability, I don't love the reference in the middle of the first sentence.
    • Removed
  • "The coco-de-mer has the largest seed of any plant, at up to 30 kilograms (66 lb) ... – is it the largest or the heaviest? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Changed to "heaviest". Thx for taking a look, very helpful. - Dank (push to talk) 04:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

List of birds of TuvaluEdit

Nominator(s): AryKun (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

This is the second nomination of this list for FLC. I had to abandon the last nom because I didn't really have much time to edit WP the last couple of months, but hopefully I'll be able to see this through this time. I've incorporated suggestions from last time into the article, so pinging Pseud 14 and The Rambling Man, who reviewed this during the last FLC. AryKun (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

DankEdit

  • Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
  • "from 2,500–3,500 mm": Is that right? A previous reviewer mentioned that it might average 3500 cm. I couldn't check because the source link to the PDF seems to be dead for me.
    • The link is working for me, but the relevant part of the article says "Annual rainfall ranges from 2500 mm in the northern islands to 3500 mm in the south, mostly occuring as heavy showers". AryKun (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
      • Thx for checking on it. FWIW, the link (to a Fiji url) still isn't coming up for me. - Dank (push to talk) 14:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Checking the FLC criteria:
  • 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. There are no sortable columns. I sampled the links.
  • 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
  • 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
  • 3b. I normally look at the sources at this point, but the dead link (above) is a concern. I'll come back and take another look after the source review has been completed.
  • 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
  • 4. It is navigable.
  • 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
  • 6. It is stable.
  • Close enough for a support for now, but I'll come back and take another look after the source review. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 17:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support - I got nothing, great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

MeegsCEdit

  • There's a dotted underline under "genera", but nothing (other than a question mark) appears if you hover over it. What's supposed to happen?
    • The one that I added in this edit says "plural of genus" when I hover. Possibly Template:tooltip is malfunctioning for your machine, or possibly you've disabled tooltips in some preference or gadget. - Dank (push to talk) 21:47, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
    • Yeah, the tooltip shows up for me too, maybe it's an issue on your device.
  • "Thirteen of these species breed on Tuvalu, nine of which are seabirds." There's a misplaced clause here. Grammatically, it should be "Thirteen of these species, nine of which are seabirds, breed on Tuvalu."
    • Changed.
  • "species of shorebird" but "species of seabirds"? Either both should be plural or neither should.
    • Changed both to singular.
  • You say some species are "migratory visitors", but they're marked as A, which indicates accidental. These don't mean the same thing; perhaps "accidental visitors" or "occasional visitors" or "migratory overshoots" or some such to indicate they're not regular migrants?
    • The source says "The migrant species include eight species of shorebird, nine further species of seabirds, as well as the Mallard and the Long-taild Cuckoo.", which seems to say that mallards are a visiting species, if only occasionally. The accidental tag later on is there because Avibase uses it, so I'm not sure which source you would go with.
  • The second paragraph uses "the birds of Tuvalu" (or "in Tuvalu" or "on Tuvalu") a lot. Maybe vary the structure by saying "on (or in or of) the islands" instead once or twice?
    • Reworded.
  • It would be great if this list said something about these birds other than that they're sometimes present on the island. The family introductory bits talk about species not even found on the island (Roadrunners? Snowcocks?!) but you don't tell us whether the listed species common and widespread, or only found in specific areas. Are the breeders colonial? Only found in the native forests? Widespread on the coasts? Cliff dwellers? It would sure be more useful with more information.

MeegsC (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

    • The introductions are meant primarily as a descriptions of those families. I've tried to add specific information about species in those families when it's available, but except for the buff-banded rail, none of the species have particularly interesting aspects to their biogeographies.
  • MeegsC, I've replied to your comments. AryKun (talk) 11:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

List of international goals scored by Henrikh MkhitaryanEdit

Nominator(s): Idiosincrático (talk) 08:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because its a rather small and simple list, any issues that exist in the list would probably be very systematic and quick to fix. Miki only scored 32 goals for the national team at a time for which game references were simple to find and that the RSSSF had a pretty good outline of all his goals and competitions. Idiosincrático (talk) 08:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "who has represented the Armenia national football team as a forward from his debut in 2007 to his international retirement in 2022" => "who represented the Armenia national football team as a forward from his debut in 2007 until his international retirement in 2022"
  • "A ten-time Armenian Footballer of the Year" - source?
  • "Mkhitaryan has also netted twice" => "Mkhitaryan also netted twice"
  • "He has scored the most times" => "He scored the most times"
  • Image caption: "He has scored 32 goals in 95 caps for Armenia." = "He scored 32 goals in 95 caps for Armenia."
  • "have come in friendlies." => "came in friendlies."
  • "Mkhitaryan had never played in the FIFA World Cup" => "Mkhitaryan never played in the FIFA World Cup"
  • "As of match played 14 November 2021" (in two places) - don't think this is needed given that he is retired
  • As it's a sortable table, venues and competitions should be linked on every usage, not just the first
  • There's no key to the colours
  • The external link is used as a ref so it doesn't need to be also listed as an xlink
  • Think that's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
    All addressed, thank you @ChrisTheDude. Idiosincrático (talk) 12:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Phikia (talk) 13:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

List of World Heritage Sites in LaosEdit

Nominator(s): Tone 15:31, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I am continuing the series of WHS lists with Laos, now that Thailand and Cambodia have been promoted. Laos has 3 WHS, which is somewhat on the lower limit (I tend not to nominate countries with one or two sites), but otherwise the list follows the standard style and is complete. Tone 15:31, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Map caption doesn't need a full stop
  • "became the royal and religious seat of the French protectorate of Laos between 1893 and 1946" => "was the royal and religious seat of the French protectorate of Laos between 1893 and 1946"
  • "upon moving the capital of the Lan Xang kingdom to Vientiane" - "after he moved the capital of the Lan Xang kingdom to Vientiane" might read better
  • Think that's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
    Fixed, thanks! Tone 20:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

List of accolades received by Guardians of the Galaxy (film)Edit

Nominator(s): Chompy Ace 03:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I nominated this list since I reworked and expanded the table at the parent article for this standalone list of Guardians of the Galaxy (film). Chompy Ace 03:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

  • Support - I got nothing. Excellent work as ever! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments by RunningTiger123Edit

  • Add link to Hollywood Post Alliance Award for Outstanding Editing – Feature Film
  • "The Maxwell Weinberg Publicists Showmanship Motion Picture Award" should not sort by "The"
  • I don't know if the CinemaCon Award really recognizes Pratt's work in this film specifically, but if it stays, the date should be changed.
  • This is really nitpicky, but when sorting, individuals should always come before groups. For instance, "Stephane Ceretti" should always sort before "Stephane Ceretti, Nicolas Aithadi, Jonathan Fawkner, and Paul Corbould", which isn't currently the case. (Template:Sortname can help with this, or updating the sort values. But again, this is pretty nitpicky and more for reference.)

RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:17, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

RunningTiger123: all   Done. Chompy Ace 22:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

SupportRunningTiger123 (talk) 22:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

List of Billboard Tropical Airplay number ones of 1998Edit

Nominator(s): Erick (talk) 00:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

There's a legend in the Latino community. If you go to any party and utter the words "Suavemente", you'll attract a swath of Hispanics chanting "Besame" and then the famous merengue song from Elvis Crespo plays. Keep that mind when you go to party with a large Hispanic following. Just like the Latin Pop Airplay charts of '98, the hurricane affected the Tropical Airplay charts. Erick (talk) 00:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "having topped the listing" => "topping the listing"
  • "Following a success stint" => "Following a successful stint"
  • "Grupo Manía themselves achieved their second number-one" => "Grupo Manía themselves achieved their second number one"
  • Think that's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
    @ChrisTheDude All fixed! Thanks as always! Erick (talk) 16:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Arsenal Player of the SeasonEdit

Nominator(s): Idiosincrático (talk) 13:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

This is my first time nominating a list. Honestly just looking for advice to perfect the article and to determine whether it is worth adding to the featured lists. I think its a really good list and I believe it is already considerably better than the other 'player of the year' featured lists. I think the list is simple, straight to the point, complete, well-referenced and informative. Again, really just looking for friendly advice so I can make it a better article. Idiosincrático (talk) 13:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Footballistically@Phikia@Hasanchoudhury97@StraightOuttaBoston@Footwiks@Mediocre Legacy Idiosincrático (talk) 13:19, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Comments
  • The lead is split into five tiny paragraphs, some of these could probably be combined
Done
  • "The award is given based solely on the votes of Arsenal fans on Arsenal.com usually just before or after the last Premier League game of the season" - source?
Done
  • "The trophy resembles a replica of a cannon, referring to Arsenal's logo, and the statues of cannons outside the Emirates Stadium, Arsenal's home ground" - source? Also, surely it is a replica of a cannon, rather than just resembling a replica?
Done
  • "The 2015–16 and 2016–17 awards were officially called the Vitality Arsenal Player of the Season Award for sponsorship purposes." - source?
Done
  • "English people remain as the dominant nationality when receiving the award" - really strange wording. I would just say "English players have received the award most often".
Done
  • "Alan Smith won the 1989 award, being the league's top scorer." - source for the last bit?
Done
  • "Cesc Fàbregas won the award in 2007 at 20 years of age" - source for him being 20? Also this caption needs a full stop.
Removed it
  • "First Arsenal Academy graduate" - source? Doesn't really add to the article
Removed it
  • Players' names should sort based on surname, not forename
Done
  • What makes these high-quality reliable sources?
    • myfootballfacts.com - Replaced with book reference
    • thefootballfaithful.com - Replaced
    • english.stadiumastro.com - Replaced
    • sportmob.com - Replaced
    • thehardtackle.com - Replaced
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
    Thank you so much @ChrisTheDude, I've had a good try at fixing these, please let me know how I went or if there is anything else. Idiosincrático (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
  • One other thing I noticed (not sure if this was the case before or if it's because of subsequent changes - in the refs Arsenal F.C. is sometimes the work (and therefore in italics) and other times the publisher (and therefore not). It should be the publisher every time -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
    Fixed, yeah it was definitely me systematically writing the manual references incorrectly. @ChrisTheDude Idiosincrático (talk) 01:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    Captions added, I made them hidden as they all have headings. Cheers Idiosincrático (talk) 11:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

List of National Football League annual receptions leadersEdit

Nominator(s): Newtothisedit (talk) 23:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The state of NFL lists on Wikipedia is very poor compared to fellow major American sports leagues such as the NBA, NHL and especially the MLB. This is the first list in a project of mine to raise the standard of NFL lists. The style and format of the list is modeled after the NFL featured lists List of National Football League rushing champions and List of National Football League annual receiving yards leaders. I look forward to any input and suggestions that you may have! --Newtothisedit (talk) 23:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments
  • Link Johnson in photo caption
  Done Assuming you mean Michael Thomas as there is no Johnson with a photo.
Yes, brain fart on my part :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
  • In the table he is Michael Thomas, Jr. but not in the caption?
  Done Changed name in table to Michael Thomas as majority of websites, his wikipedia page and his jersey don't use Jr. Leaving Sr. in Steve Smith's table entry as his wiki page and jersey have Sr. on it.
  • "In addition to the overall National Football League (NFL) receiving champion, league record books recognize statistics from the American Football League (AFL), which operated from 1960 to 1969 before being absorbed into the NFL in 1970, Although league record books do not recognize stats from the All-America Football Conference, another league that merged with the NFL, these statistics are recognized by the Pro Football Hall of Fame." - source for all of this?
  Done Added sources
  • The "set record" bit should be in the same key as the rest
  Done
  • Players' names should sort based on surname, not forename as at present
  Done
  • "Tom Fears broke the single season receptions record in consecutive years in 1949 and 1950" - this caption is a complete sentence so needs a full stop
  Done
  • "Kellen Winslow became the first Tight end to lead the NFL in receptions in 1980." - no reason for capital T on Tight
  Done
  • Ref 7 says it was retrieved in 2015. Does it still source the whole table? If not, what sources the last few rows?
  Done Database updates every year, still sources entire table.
  • Date format in refs is not consistent. There are also refs with no publisher listed, and some with the same publisher shown in different ways.-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
  Done References should now have standard date and publisher format.--Newtothisedit (talk) 21:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
One more point - it would be better not to use the asterisk to indicate two different things. As the symbol is there to help people who can't see the colours, it doesn't make much sense to use the same symbol to denote two different things -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
It's not specified in the key, but their meaning is different based on the column they're used in. Would a tilde as a replacement for one of the asterisk look weird? Or would that be good option? I'm asking because I'd like to standardize across some of these NFL lists. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, that would work -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Blech, you made a good point but I don't like how the tilde looks. Any suggestions on alternative characters to use besides the caret and asterisk? Hey man im josh (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
  and   are pretty common..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
  Done, made changes to the symbols so asterisks are not used twice. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
  • There's just a few issues left with ref formatting. Pro-football-reference.com is shown in italics in some refs but not others, and refs 12-14 show no publisher at all -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
      Done, these have been fixed to match the other Pro-football-reference.com references. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

These apply to the 2 big tables mostly, not the key table

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  Done--Newtothisedit (talk) 16:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Year becomes !scope=col | Year. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  Done--Newtothisedit (talk) 16:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | {{NFL year|1932}} becomes !scope=row | {{NFL year|1932}}. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
      Done, I believe the row and column scopes are now properly done up. Would you mind verifying it when you get a chance @PresN? First time adding those so I just wanted to be sure I did it properly. Also thank you for your example edit, it helped. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    Looks good! --PresN 19:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

List of international goals scored by Aleksandar MitrovićEdit

Nominator(s): Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

This is my first FL nomination so go easy on me. I am nominating this article because it is well-written and reliably sourced throughout, and I think it meets the FL criteria. I'd be happy to address all comments and concerns. Nitpick away! Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • The lead uses his surname a lot (like, in every sentence). I realise he is the subject of the article, but could you vary the language a bit? Even if it's only replacing some of them with "he"?
  • "in what was his third international appearance" - unsourced
  • "which ultimately ended in 1–2 loss" => "which ultimately ended in a 2–1 defeat"
  • "With six goals, Mitrović finished as the top-scorer" - there is no hyphen in "top scorer"
  • "Mitrović spearheaded Serbia's promotion to Group A [....] that resulted in Serbia being promoted to League A for the first time" - are "Group A" and "League A" the same thing?
  • "a record 14 goals in the UEFA Nations League." - is this just a Serbian record or an all-time record?
  • Table needs a note to explain the "score" column
  • ....and also one to say that Serbia's score is shown first in each case
  • As this is a sortable table, everything (stadia, competition) needs to be linked every time it appears, not just the first
  • What's sourcing the "cap" column? Ref 13 does not confirm that it was his third cap, for example
  • Hat-tricks column is pointless as it just duplicates content from the table above, and users can easily see from that table when he scored three times in a match
  • Footnotes should probably go before See also
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
One point - I said "Footnotes should probably go before See also", but you've left them after that section and made them a sub-section of references? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
@ChrisTheDude: MOS:NOTES states that notes and references should appear after See also sections. In this case, notes include explanatory footnotes. Making them a sub-section in this case was a personal decision since I felt this part of the article was becoming too cluttered. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 23:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. In that case support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Paul Rudd on screen and stageEdit

Nominator(s): LADY LOTUSTALK 20:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it's a well sourced and extensive list of his work. LADY LOTUSTALK 20:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments
  • "whose career began in 1992 when he was cast in the role of Kirby Philby in the TV series Sisters until 1995" - this reads a bit oddly. I would suggest "whose career began in 1992 when he was cast in the role of Kirby Philby in the TV series Sisters, a role he played until 1995"
  • "Rudd has appeared in numerous films directed and produced by Judd Apatow whom he frequently collaborates with including" => "Rudd has appeared in numerous films directed and produced by Judd Apatow, with whom he frequently collaborate, including"
  • "He is set to reprise the role again the upcoming 2023 film" => "He is set to reprise the role again in the upcoming 2023 film"
  • "December 2007" is a pretty blah caption. Could it be expanded to say where he was?
  • Chuck/Kunu has no spacing but Scott Lang / Ant-Man does
  • Think that's all I got, great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
    All   Done plus I added more to all the image captions. Thank you CTD! LADY LOTUSTALK 18:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

DankEdit

  • Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
  • Table captions are required, with or without an sronly template, so I added them.
  • "Scott Lang / Ant-Man": appears to be a MOS violation per MOS:SLASH, but I see slashes used in this way from time to time, so I'm wondering if people have come to an understanding that I'm not aware of.
  • Checking the FLC criteria:
  • 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
  • 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
  • 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
  • 3b. The UPSD tool is marking one of the sources in red (TV.com, and that's also a dead link), and four sources in yellow ... I'm not sure how to handle this, so I'm going to punt sourcing issues over to whoever does your source review.
  • 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
  • 4. It is navigable.
  • 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
  • 6. It is stable.
  • Close enough for a support (but I'll take another look at this after the source review, to make sure). Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 22:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Drive-byEdit

  • "In 1995, he co-starred in his feature film debut alongside Alicia Silverstone in the cult classic Clueless, one of his more notable early roles, as well as Tommy Doyle in Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers." is referenced to a Rolling Stone article which has no mention of Rudd or the role in terms of his career. Certainly his appearance in the films can be sourced elsewhere, but the claims of "his feature film debut" and "one of his more notable early roles" need specific sourcing (or should be dropped). The reference only establishes the cult-status of the film. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    Sorry for the delay in getting back to your comment, but I have adjusted the sentence to remove the "feature" and "more notable early roles" to read as "In 1995, he co-starred in his film debut alongside Alicia Silverstone in the cult classic Clueless, as well as Tommy Doyle in Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers". Thanks for the comment, let me know if you have any others! LADY LOTUSTALK 21:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    Hi @Lady Lotus now apologies for my delay. Unfortunately, there's still a problem, nothing in the Rolling Stone reference indicates that Clueless was Rudd's feature film debut. Please ping me as this is not on my watchlist. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:59, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
    Hey, I had removed the "feature" part of that sentence and now it just reads as his film debut which is just a fact I didn't think needed a reference for since Clueless came out in July 1995 and Halloween came out in September 1995. Let me know your thoughts, thanks! LADY LOTUSTALK 20:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by Zayn MalikEdit

Nominator(s): Harushiga (talk) 04:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

This is a list of accolades received by English singer Zayn Malik, who was previously a member of the boy band One Direction. This is my second nomination, and after expanding the list, I believe that it now meets the criteria. Any feedback is appreciated! Harushiga (talk) 04:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "The latter was nominated" - this is confusing as it is so far removed from the mention of the songs. At first glance I thought it meant the latter award in the previous sentence :-S Fixed
  • "which was included in the soundtrack" => "which was included on the soundtrack" Done
  • For the awards won as part of One Direction, presumably these were won jointly with the rest of the group....?
    • All of the members won as individuals (including the other co-writers for those songs). The sources don't actually group them together.
  • ""Me, Myself and I" (Beyoncé)" - makes it look like Beyoncé was a co-winner, which I'm pretty sure she wasn't Fixed
  • That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

List of Volition gamesEdit

Nominator(s): PresN 00:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

One last list in my brief return to my series of games by 90s/early 2000s developers (3D Realms/id/Raven/Epic/Firaxis/Blizzard/Relic/Bullfrog/Lionhead), here we have the gameography of Volition. Founded in 1993 as Parallax Software, they hit it out of the park on their first try with Descent, and went on to make a number of good shooter and RPG games – as well as the greatest space combat game ever made, 1999's FreeSpace 2. That's an objective, unbiased fact there. In any case, Volition went on to release the wacky GTA-like Saint's Row in 2006, which did well enough that with a few deviations that's been their main series ever since.

In the background they split the company in half in 1996, with this half renamed Volition and the other being Outrage Entertainment; got bought by THQ in 2000; got picked up out of THQ's bankruptcy by Koch Media in 2012 without half of its IP and merged with publisher Deep Silver (so it's technically the company "Deep Silver Volition", real creative there); and then Embracer Group bought every company and IP I mentioned here, welcome to 2020s capitalism. Despite all these corporate goings-on, Volition itself has for 30 years been sitting in an office building in bustling downtown Champaign, Illinois (population: 88,000), doing their own thing. This list follows the pattern of all the prior lists I've done on games-by-developers, so I hope you enjoy it, and thanks for reviewing. --PresN 00:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment: would the fact that SR22 is a reboot of SR06 need an immediate cite? You could just reuse ref #73 here. What about mentioning Del Toro's involvement with Insane? — CR4ZE (TC) 08:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
  • @CR4ZE: Done and done. Thanks! --PresN 02:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Great, thanks for doing that. I don't plan to conduct a full review at this stage but please reach out to me further down the line if this nom is stalling. — CR4ZE (TC) 04:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Comments
  • There's only one citation in the whole lead, which pops up at random places in two paragraphs. Does this one ref cite the entire lead? If so, would it make more sense to place it at the end of each paragraph?
  • Whoops, that's an embarrassing omission - I had sources for the other sentences and they weren't actually added. Fixed!
  • "Source code released in 1998, leading to unofficial mods and ports." - don't think that full stop is needed (other, similar notes don't have them)
  • Done
  • "numerous smaller DLC content" - this reads ever so slightly oddly, as "numerous" implies a plural noun but "content" is singular. Is there a way to reword at all?
  • It's worse, because the "C" stands for content- replaced "content" with "pieces"
  • "Much of the concept material was used in Red Faction[74][1]" - refs in wrong order
  • Done
  • Think that's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks so much, all now addressed! --PresN 16:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

DankEdit

  • Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
  • From experiments run at TFA, I've come to the conclusion that readers are happier when there's at least one image, and an image can usually be found if you keep looking. For this list, File:Deep Silver Logo.svg would work for me (unless there's another one you prefer).
  • Yeah, but while I'd be okay with a Volition or Parallax logo (DSV continues to use the Volition logo), they're non-free, and the Deep Silver one is for a company that was never Volition itself so I think it's misleading.
  • "the humor aspects of the game would offset the subject matter": I think I get what you mean, but more careful wording, or even illustrating with an example, would probably be helpful.
  • "... which in turn bought Koch Media in 2018. Since joining Deep Silver, which now serves as its publisher, Volition has grown to over 200 employees and has focused on the Saints Row franchise, producing Saints Row IV (2013)": Read this again and see if something feels off to you about the verb tenses and dates ... if not, then fine, but maybe a tweak or two would help.
  • Tweaked, I think it's the jump from past-tense-about-2018 to past-perfect-about-2012 in the next sentence, so I've made the perspective change clearer.
    • That works. - Dank (push to talk) 20:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Checking the FLC criteria:
  • 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. There are no sortable columns. I sampled the links in the table.
  • 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
  • 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
  • 3b. The UPSD tool is marking the YouTube link in red.
  • 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
  • 4. It is navigable.
  • 5. It meets style requirements, except see above for a request for an image of some kind.
  • 6. It is stable.
  • Close enough for a support. I'm not entirely sure how the source reviewer will react to the red link link that UPSD is marking in red, so I'll take another look at that time. - Dank (push to talk) 18:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
@Dank: Thanks, responded inline. --PresN 19:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Red for UPSD just means "watch out for this link", as it can't tell context and Youtube is usually an issue. In this case it's a video by Volition, used only to source an uncontroversial fact (how many employees, roughly, did they have at the time), and so should be fine. --PresN 14:51, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with the link. - Dank (push to talk) 15:42, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Rita Ora discographyEdit

Nominator(s): Iaof2017 (talk) 12:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets criteria and is well written as well as reliable. I'm looking forward to the comments. Iaof2017 (talk) 12:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Drive-by comment
  • Why does a table which claims to show "List of other charted songs, with selected chart positions" include songs which did not chart....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
    • My mistake, fixed.   Done Iaof2017 (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
      • How is this article even being considered for a featured list in its current state?! ChrisTheDude, please review the quality of the previous version of this article and the version that laof2017 is pushing after basically ruining parts of the article. I'll list some of the issues. The lead section is now filled with unnecessary information and strange wording. The user arbitrarily removed the Dutch chart and certification from the albums section, and randomly added a Japan chart. In the extended plays section, the exact chart (the Dance/Electronic Albums chart) on which an EP charted was removed and BB 200 was added instead. In the singles section, the user split the singles into decades, as if her career was spanning 30 years. In the newly formed 2010s singles section, an 11th chart was added, the CIS one and the user even added positions such as 245 and 710. Since the discography was unnecessarily split into two parts, the user removed three charts from the "2020s" section. The user then reduced the featured singles charts as well, reducing them to seven, despite one of the singles listed charting on all ten of the previous charts. The user also inexplicably removed the "Latin" part from a US certification. The user then also removed charts from the "promotional singles" and "other charted songs" (which is now renamed as just "other songs"), and added new charts and new songs. The section "other appearances" was completely removed. The user added FALSE chart positions for "After the Afterparty", completely ignoring the fact that the version of the song that Ora featured on was just a remix that didn't chart anywhere.--Helptottt (talk) 22:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
        • @ChrisTheDude: In regards to this, you may wish to peruse the article history (it is currently fully protected) and the ANI (permalink) which resulted in two editors being blocked as socks. Black Kite (talk) 07:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
          • To add to my initial reply, only the lead section of this article required a more detailed editing, but certainly not in the way it was done. Re: the charts, only the Scottish chart was supposed to be removed since it doesn't exist anymore. All the other removals and additions in the charts sections look ridiculous. The user laof2017 has pretty much debased this article. Helptottt (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Further comments
  • "In February 2012, Ora began her career" - according to our article on her, her career began as early as 2008
  • All charts should be linked in each table, not just the first one
  • I would lose the Scottish charts, as Scotland is part of the UK and you already have the UK charts. It would be like showing the charts for the US and also for Texas.
  • Songs in the "promotional singles" and "other songs" tables which did not chart need sources to confirm they exist
  • There are singles listed in the template at the bottom which don't seem to be included anywhere on this discography.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the comments.   Done Iaof2017 (talk) 15:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • The column scopes are close but not quite right; every column header cell needs the !scope=col, including the album chart ones, so e.g. ! style="width:3em; font-size:85%;" | [[UK Albums Chart|{{abbr|UK|United Kingdom}}]]... becomes !scope=col style="width:3em; font-size:85%;" | [[UK Albums Chart|{{abbr|UK|United Kingdom}}]].... For the cell that spans multiple columns with a colspan, use !scope=colgroup instead. Repeat for all tables.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Hey @PresN:, thanks I will pay attention to this more often now.   Done Iaof2017 (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Songwriting creditsEdit

She is not solely writer of "Invisible Girl", I don't know about "Shy". Eurohunter (talk) 11:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Comments from PerfectSoundWhateverEdit

Sorry if I say / do anything stupid— I have little experience with quality content reviews :).

  • Consider changing "has released two studio albums, two extended plays, 21 singles as a lead artist as well as seven as a featured artist, and six promotional singles." to "has released two studio albums, two extended plays, 21 singles as a lead artist, seven singles as a featured artist, and six promotional singles."
  • Change "Four of Ora's singles have topped the UK Singles Chart, while overall, 13 of her singles have reached the top 10, becoming the British female artist with the most top 10 entries in the ranking" to "Four of Ora's singles reached number one on the UK Singles Chart, while 13 of her singles reached the top 10, making Ora the British female artist with the most top 10 entries in the chart"
  • Unnecessary word. "It further reached the top 30 in Australia, Ireland, New Zealand and Scotland"
  • Consider changing the five usages of "record" to "album". A record can refer to any phonograph disc, e.g. a single. Album is less ambiguous and therefore faster for a reader to process.
  • For conciseness, change "Singles from the record including, "How We Do (Party)" (2012) and "R.I.P." (2012)," to "The album's 2012 singles, "How We Do (Party)" and "R.I.P.""
  • Per WP:EASTEREGG, change "both peaked atop the UK Singles Chart" to "reached number one on the UK Singles Chart" or something similar.
  • "Five singles preceded the record" — why include 4 out of 5? Easier to include one more and remove the word "including".
  • Name the EP: change "In February 2021, Ora released her second extended play (EP) in collaboration with Kazakh producer Imanbek." to "In February 2021, Ora released the collaborative extended play Bang with Kazakh producer Imanbek."
  • Remove ambiguity, "The record spawned "Big" (2021)" to "The extended play [or EP] spawned "Big" (2021)"
  • What differentiates a promotional single, and a single by lead artist? For example, why is "Big" a lead single, but "Bang Bang" a promotional one, despite being released on the same day for the same project? The sources don't differentiate.
  • "Calling a single her "international breakthrough" (implying rise to success, not first release) is a strong statement to make without any inline citation. I would change it to something like "In February 2012, Ora was featured on English producer DJ Fresh's single "Hot Right Now", which entered the top 50 in several countries" [wikilinks implied]

That's what I've got for now! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Drive-by commentsEdit

  • "English singer and songwriter" I would stick with only "English singer" as Ora doesn't seem to be known for writing songs.
  • Looking at this version, why were the US Dance peak for "Bang Bang" and the other appearances section removed?
  • You don't need to have a ref for every single/song that has an article. The refs for the other charted songs seem to be redundant as well. Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

List of FIFA World Cup winning managersEdit

Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Done a bit of work on this, taking into consideration the last failed nom, and now think it's ready for another go. With the World Cup in a couple of months, would be nice to get this one over the line by then. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Wikilink the teams in the first paragraph (but not on subsequent mentions in the lead)
  • Wikilink the term manager
  • Wikilink Bilardo in the lead
  • "Helmut Schön, who led West Germany" - he's already been mentioned, so just use surname this time
  • 1974 FIFA World Cup is overlinked
  • "Mario Zagallo and César Luis Menotti were also in their 30s" - surname only for Zagallo here and on the next mention
  • "Franz Beckenbauer (as a player in 1974, as a manager in 1990)" - surname only here
  • There's an error in ref 7
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
    • Thanks for your comments @ChrisTheDude:, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 21:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- Idiosincrático (talk) 00:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Timeline of the impeachment of Andrew JohnsonEdit

Nominator(s): SecretName101 (talk) 05:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list status because I believe it meets criteria and presents a concise (yet thorough) properly sourced timeline. It outlines an important series of occurrences that comprise the overall effort to impeach Andrew Johnson. This was an important series of events in United States history. The timeline is also well-illustrated with images SecretName101 (talk) 05:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Drive-by commentsEdit

  • A couple of quick comments (will do a full review later.....)
  • No article should start "The following is...." - find a way to write a more engaging first sentence
  • External links go after references -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Addressed the two issues. SecretName101 (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Further commentsEdit

  • As far as I can see, Johnson is not linked anywhere in the article
  • Nor is impeachment
  • Link on the date in the first para is a bit Easter eggy
  • "there was a December 7, 1867 in which" - word(s) missing.....?
  • Link House of Representatives in the body
  • No idea what a "caucus" is so probably link that too
  • What does (R– MA) and similar mean?
  • "Ashley's resolution to launch an impeachment inquiry run the House Committee on the Judiciary" - this doesn't seem to make sense....?
  • "initiating the first impeachment inquiry against Andrew Johnson" - no need to repeat his entire name
  • "to dismiss any executive officer that been appointed" - at least one word missing here
  • "to investigate the new charge was that Johnson" - grammar is not right here
  • "votes 5–4 vote to recommend" - doesn't read right to me
  • That's what I got as far as the end of the Early developments and efforts to impeach Johnson section. Need to pop out now but will try to look at the rest later this evening..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Worked to address these too. SecretName101 (talk) 03:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Even more commentsEdit

  • There's still no explanation/link for "R-MA" and all the similar codes
  • "Resolution debated at-length" - there's no hyphen in "at length" (occurs in a couple of places)
  • "informs the Senate of impeachment bar of the impeachment" - think there's some stray words there
  • "House Republican caucus votes holds internal vote" - and there......
  • Could we maybe lose a couple of images so that there isn't a massive whitespace at the end of the Impeachment and pre-trial section?
  • "Chase begins administering [....] until Thomas A. Hendricks (D– IN) questioned" - tense randomly changes mid-sentence
  • "not all states were represented in the Senate (due to Reconstruction)" - what's "Reconstruction"? Link?
  • "House manager John A. Logan argued that the trial should begin immediately" - past tense used when everything else is in the present
  • That's what I got through to the end -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
    R-MA means Republican from Massachusetts. It's a common format used both on Wikipedia articles, political news reports, and even textbooks. SecretName101 (talk) 23:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
    OK, well I for one didn't have a clue what it meant, and I suspect many other readers outside the United States wouldn't either...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

List of UEFA Champions League hat-tricksEdit

Nominator(s): Atlantis77177 (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it is well written with accurate points covering the matter discussed. Every point of record mentioned in the list has citations to back them up. I look forward to the comments to know the reviews. Shout-out to all the great editors who worked on this article before me and have done such a great job on it... Atlantis77177 (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments by ChrisTheDudeEdit

  • "more than any other players" => "more than any other player"
  • "with a further 11 players have each scored" => "with a further 11 players having each scored"
  • Most of the players who have each scored hat-tricks for two or more different clubs are being mentioned for the first time so should be referred to by their full name (not just surname) and wikilinked
  • Same with the players who have scored hat-tricks in two consecutive seasons
  • BATE and Mbappe overlinked in lead
  • PSG are mentioned four times in the lead without ever being wikilinked
  • "in 9 minutes" => "in nine minutes"
  • Most of the image captions don't need references as they simply repeat stuff that is sourced in the lead or can be deduced from the table, but "Erling Haaland became the second teenager to score a hat-trick on his Champions League debut." needs a source
  • I would add to the key (or just as text above the table) that the "result" column shows the player's team's score first, as this might not be obvious to everyone
  • Player column sorts based on the flag/nationality. It should sort based on the player's name, specifically the surname
  • Same with the for/against columns - these should sort based on the club name
  • Ref column does not need to be sortable
  • Result column would look better centred
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: I have tried my best to sort all the issues. But i was unable to sort three of them -

1) I was unable to center-allign the scores.
2) I was unable to change the sorting layout of the table with the name of the player rather than the name of the player's nation.
3) I was unable to remove the sort ability of refs section alone.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 11:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@Atlantis77177: - the ref column seems OK, so I guess you figured that one out. For the scores, you will need to add the centre alignment before the score, so for example this:

!scope="row"|{{flagicon|NED}} {{sortname|Juul|Ellerman}} |{{fbaicon|NED}} [[PSV Eindhoven]] || {{fbaicon|LTU}} [[FK Žalgiris|Žalgiris]] ||align=center| 6–0 || {{dts|format=dmy|1992|9|16}} || <ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=1992/matches/round=47/match=6239/index.html |title=UEFA Champions League 1992/93 - History - PSV-FK Žalgiris Vilnius |date=16 September 1992 |access-date=2 January 2014 |website=UEFA.com}}</ref>

....and for the sorting you will need to use a hidden sort key, for example this:

!scope="row" data-sort-value="Ellerman"|{{flagicon|NED}} {{sortname|Juul|Ellerman}} |{{fbaicon|NED}} [[PSV Eindhoven]] || {{fbaicon|LTU}} [[FK Žalgiris|Žalgiris]] ||align=center| 6–0 || {{dts|format=dmy|1992|9|16}} || <ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=1992/matches/round=47/match=6239/index.html |title=UEFA Champions League 1992/93 - History - PSV-FK Žalgiris Vilnius |date=16 September 1992 |access-date=2 January 2014 |website=UEFA.com}}</ref>

Hope that helps!! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: The score is centered. But the sort key doesn't seem to work. Could you help me with the article.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 11:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

This was the issue - that shouldn't have been in the table header code. The two actual rows which you have updated now sort correctly, so just do the same for the others -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: I tried your way. But it didn't work. Maybe it was my misunderstanding. I am sorry. Do help. Also wished to add that the player name was not centralized by me. It was done by another editor. I hope it is okay to you. --Atlantis77177 (talk) 12:51, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Just do what I did with this edit for each row. You should not have "scope=col" on each row -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: Done. The players sort properly now. I hope that the club sorting wouldn't be a problem. I could turn it off. (Sorting for clubs)--Atlantis77177 (talk) 15:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, thinking about it the teams should sort based on name too...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • This duplicates what ChrisTheDude is saying above, just with more words: tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes on the "primary" cell of each row, lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. So, each column cell needs !scope=col, and does not need anything about "class" or "row". Similarly, the primary (or first) cell of each row needs !scope=row, and nothing about "class" or "col".
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 13:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: @PresN: I hope your concerns are sorted now.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: @PresN: Sorry for disturbing. I just wanted to know about the process that follows this discussion. I hope that i have solved the issues you guys pointed out. So what next? Just a humble question? Have a good day.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 10:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

In general, FLCs stay open until they get enough agreement that they should be promoted, as determined by the FL director/delegates. I just did an accessibility review, so I'm not supporting or opposing. ChrisTheDude has yet to return to this, but you just pinged them so they should see that. Other than that, you'll need to wait for more reviewers or find some yourself- good ways to do that include reviewing other nominations with a note that you have one open, or asking at a Wikiproject. --PresN 14:26, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
@PresN: I was waiting for my comment dated 3 October to be addressed - the nominator has not actioned that...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Comment by Nehme1499Edit

Hi, just a minor comment regarding the lead. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should usually be no longer than four paragraphs. This article has 8 paragraphs. I'd probably suggest moving the eight paragraphs to a separate section (maybe "History", or something of the sort), and then summarize those paragraphs into maximum four in the lead. Nehme1499 12:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: I hope that it looks better now.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 17:34, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Much better! Ideally, the lead shouldn't have sources, as it already summarizes (soured) statements in the body. Nehme1499 09:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: I have removed all unnecessary citations in the lead. Hope your concerns in the articles are sorted now. Greetings.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 15:43, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I still see a couple of citations. Nehme1499 17:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Surely these policies don't apply to a stand alone list? i.e. you mention the lead being eight paragraphs, but there is no mention of ideal length mentioned here. The article seemingly intentionally has little prose in the article main, and therefore moving random statistics into a new section is just completely arbitrary. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

@ItsKesha: Problem sorted I guess.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 12:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

List of municipalities in ColoradoEdit

Nominator(s):  Buaidh  talk e-mail 06:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because this list has been extensively reworked to comply with featured list criteria. This list is an important source of information about the U.S. State of Colorado. I would appreciate any suggestions for further improvement.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 06:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Mattximus

Hello, I did the peer review a while back, it's significantly improved from where it was a few months ago for sure but there are still a few changes that I would like to suggest

  • It's best to include a symbol/colour coded box for the county seat. The way it's written now looks like it's part of the county name. Like List of municipalities in California
  • All images need alt-text for accessibility.
  • For the first column, I would just include the city name, not the formal long form (Denver instead of "City and County of Denver", because the next column gives this information, right now it's redundant)
  • Personally I would not have the rank column, the population column is sortable already and I'm not sure how much meaning "city number 196" is to the general public)
  • I would not have a map column, a link to a technical pdf map is far less useful than someone simply googling it in google maps. The next column also has a coordinate link to maps. That's too many map columns.
  • Is it possible to switch the 2010 population column and the % change? It seems weird that the change precedes the number it changed from!

That's my first pass! Mattximus (talk) 17:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

  • The changes you made are excellent, it's in much better shape now. A few more changes left, but great work on the other changes, only some minor quibbles left:
  • the Population estimates section really has no place in this article and is redundant with the lead, recommend just removing it, it's already quite a large article as is.
  • The notes for Denver are on the trivial and redundant side (for example, saying it is the capital is also indicated by the symbol and colour of the box, no need to say it a third way), suggest removing all four notes.
  • The Municipalities in multiple counties section uses outdated language such as "The following table contains" which needs to be changed. In fact this list is quite long already and I don't think this section needs to be there at all.
These suggestions are still outstanding, and I believe the first change was suggested by another user below and is very important. The section stands out like a sore thumb. This would be important before I can support. Mattximus (talk) 01:30, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
@Mattximus: Thanks for your suggestions. I've made all of your suggested changes:
  1. I've color-coded the county seats and the state capital and added symbols. I've added notes for the three county seats that extend into adjacent counties.
  2. I've added alt-text for all images.
  3. I've shortened the municipal title to the place name.
  4. I've eliminated the population rank column.
  5. I've eliminated the the map column.
  6. I've moved the population change column after the 2010 population column.
Does anyone else have any suggestions?
  • Quick commentPer the Manual of Style, the bold links in the opening sentence shouldn't be there. You can either move the links to appear later in the lead or just de-bold the intro. While I'm here, you should probably have the peer review closed, since I noticed it is still open. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • @Giants2008: Thank you. I removed the bold in the opening line. I asked for the peer review to be closed.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 17:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Hwy43Edit

Here are my opening observations:

  1. Change the "The 20 most populous Colorado municipalities" heading to "List of municipalities" or simply "List". Regardless, we don't need to include "Colorado" as the article title already indicates where we are.
  2. In lieu of the above change, add |caption= as a parameter to the gallery template and populate as "Twenty most populous municipalities". Again, we don't need to include "Colorado".
  3. There is a WP:SYNTH infraction to support WP:TRIVIA in the Denver photo caption. Simply remove the trivia component (i.e., most populous within X miles).
  4. Remove the adjective "important" in the Fort Collins caption. This is subjective WP:POV. We will let our readers form their own opinions.
  5. Remove the adjective "extensive" in the Westminster caption for the same reason.
  6. Remove the adjective "historic" in the Pueblo caption for the same reason.
  7. Remove the adjective "important" in the Boulder caption for the same reason.
  8. Remove the adjective "burgeoning" in the Castle Rock caption for the same reason. This adjective is bordering on WP:SOAPBOX.
  9. Remove the adjective "historic" in the Littleton caption for the same reason.
  10. There is an MOS:OVERLINK infraction in the Pueblo caption (i.e., unlink "Spain").
  11. Another two overlink infractions are in the Castle Rock caption (i.e., unlink "Denver" and "Colorado Springs" as they are already linked in their own captions).
  12. Another two overlink infractions are in the Broomfield caption (i.e., unlink "Denver" and "Boulder" for same reason).
  13. Another two overlink infractions are in the Parker and Littleton captions (i.e., unlink both instances of "Denver" for same reason).
  14. Double-check every reference associated with each photo caption. If content on the webpage associated with the reference does not explicitly verify the content in the caption, then the reference does not belong. I spot-checked one (Pueblo) and the landing webpage does not verify that it is "on the Arkansas River, the former boundary between the United States and Spain".
  15. Remove the "Colorado municipalities" heading as a result of the first change in this list and move the see also template to follow the revised heading before the gallery template.
  16. Remove the single sentence as it is redundant with the text in the geogroup template.
  17. Apply sentence case to all 272 entries in the "Type of government" column.
  18. Never been a fan of "Coordinates" columns as the contents are never readily understandable to the reader. However, guessing that the geogroup template needs such to work so I will not kick up a fuss. However, at minimum, remove the ability to sort that column. Sorting based on this column results in ordering that is not meaningful or understood by the reader.
  19. For the final row, use the sortbottom approach. See it in action at List of municipalities in Arkansas#List of municipalities.
  20. Also, in that final row, simply state "Total municipalities" in the first cell instead of its current contents.

I will return with comments on the lead and other prose in a bit. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 22:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

The following are my comments on the lead. Hwy43 (talk) 04:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  1. Remove bold from first sentence per MOS:FIRST and MOS:BOLDLEAD.
  2. Reword first sentence because it redundantly says "The [United States'] State of Colorado…".
  3. Why "active incorporated" municipalities? Are there inactive municipalities in Colorado? Are there unincorporated municipalities in Colorado? Municipalities are incorporated by definition. No such thing as unincorporated municipalities AFAIK, so no need to distinguish from non-existent "unincorporated municipalities". Further, if there are no inactive municipalities then no need to distinguish these as active municipalities. Please fix in lead and throughout balance of article.
  4. Second sentence reads as if percentage of people living in municipalities in comparison to Colorado’s population grew by 17.13% to 74.47%. This is not the case. Apples and oranges going on here. Easiest thing to do is remove everything after the comma.
  5. Third sentence repeats Colorado. Can remove second instance.
  6. Two commas are missing in the lengthy first sentence of second paragraph.
  7. In the second sentence of the second paragraph the reader is firmly of the understanding that we are in Colorado by now. Remove both mentions of the state in this sentence.
  8. In the first sentence of the third paragraph, replace "occupied" with "covered" as the former has a military occupation feel to it. Also delete second instance of the state’s name.
  9. In the second sentence, do you mean "expansive" instead of "extensive"?
  10. In the third sentence, change "least densely populated of the populated municipalities" to simply "least densely populated municipality after Carbonate" to avoid a fifth instance of "populat–" in the sentence.

I will return with comments on the Municipal government section. In the meantime:

  1. delete the entire Population history section. It is redundant from the information in the table above and the only value-added new content within is in the final sentence. The final sentence can be laced into the lead. Meanwhile, Population history of Colorado municipalities can be moved to either the See also section below or included in the See also template in the previous section (joining the three other articles in that template). Hwy43 (talk) 04:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I am going to be dark all week due to work, so I am going to provide two more comments for now, and upon my return I will circle back to go through the Municipal government section in detail.

  1. *Please review MOS:OVERLINK and then go through all prose sections with a fine-toothed comb to remove all duplicate wikilinks. I have already apprised of the overlink infractions within the captions in the gallery template. Overlink doesn't apply to tables. So focus only on the paragraphs. I see numerous instances of overlinking throughout the Municipal government section. Fortunately, there are no overlink instances found in the lead.
  2. Please review MOS:SEEALSO and MOS:NOTSEEALSO. Specifically, the See also section should "enable readers to explore tangentially related topics", "should be relevant and limited to a reasonable number", and "should not repeat links that appear in the article's body." The See also section currently has 24 entries (not a reasonable number), many of which are already linked in the article's body (e.g., Colorado, Population history of Colorado municipalities, etc.) and/or not tangential or relevant (e.g., bibliography, index, outline, geography, history, places [in general], mountain-related, rivers, protected areas, etc.). The scope of this list is municipalities. Municipalities are types of communities. The See also section should be limited to other community-related lists that are tangential and relevant (i.e., counties, census-designated places, county seats, ghost towns, populated places by county, and statistical areas) if not previously introduced in the prose of the article or in earlier see also templates. At the end of the day, many of the non-tangential/non-relevant lists are already wikilinked in the uncollapsed Template:Colorado at the bottom of the article anyway.

Looking forward to seeing the improvements to the article when I return this weekend. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

  • @Hwy43: This is a very substantial list, but I agree with almost all of your suggestions. I made the following changes:
  • 1. I changed the section title "The 20 most populous Colorado municipalities" to "Gallery".
  • 2-17 Done.
  • 18. I kept the "Coordinates" column. I've requested that Template:Coord be updated to include conversion to 4 decimal degree places to compact coordinates.
  • 19-22 Done.
  • 23. There are scores of inactive incorporated municipalities in Colorado. They are called ghost towns.
  • 24-28 Done.
  • 29. The proper word is "extensive".
  • 30. Done.
  • 31. I deleted the "Population history" section and replaced it with a "Population estimates" section which includes 2021 and future population estimates from the Census Bureau.
  • 32-33 Done.
Thank you very much for these suggestions. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 01:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: 23, are you suggesting that all ~1,500 ghost towns in Colorado were once municipalities? In my experience, the majority of ghost towns in a state/province were never incorporated as municipalities. They were simply unincorporated communities, just as Colorado today has unincorporated communities. Meanwhile, a minority of ghost towns in a state/province were actually previously incorporated municipalities. I am going to need some evidence that 100% of Colorado’s ghost towns were previously incorporated as municipalities. I would also like to see a reliable source that existing municipalities in Colorado are commonly referred to as "active incorporated municipalities" as a means to disambiguate from former municipalities and/or ghost towns. Hwy43 (talk) 07:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: 31, replacement of the "Population history" section with a "Population estimates" section is unnecessary. No need to supply a population estimate for Denver and Carbonate for the year following the 2020 census. Such details can be presented at their individual articles. Hwy43 (talk) 08:07, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
  • @Hwy43: I said scores not all. Several ghost towns have had their inactive incoporation reactivated, including Montezuma and Carbonate. Watkins went the other way and had its incorporation deactivated in 2006.
I missed the scores in my review. Based on this link, I can accept "active municipalities". Drop the "incorporated" for the reasons previously stated. It goes without saying, is redundant, and the link I just provided excludes such. Hwy43 (talk) 03:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Methinks you're being a bit picknitty. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 18:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
My suggestion is based on experience in these FLC reviews. If something sticks out, it begs a question. In this case, if we state "incorporated municipalities", a reader can question "what about the unincorporated municipalities" then? In a previous "List of municipalities in Foo" FLC nomination, there was a statement in the article that 'Foo's X municipalities cover Y% of the province's land mass and are home to Z% of its population.' Reviewers asked what about the remainders of population and land mass? The solution was an associated note with reference stating 'The remaining A% of Foo's population resides on B and C, which occupy the remaining D% of the province's land mass.' In making the picknitty situation, I am trying to avoid a much more picknitty request. Hwy43 (talk) 05:56, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
The "Population estimates" section links to the location of the July 1, 2021 estimates for all Colorado municipalities. The estimates are located in the Population history of Colorado municipalities article rather than the List of municipalities in Colorado article because, unlike the Census figures, they are not "official" figures. The reference to Denver and Carbonate is the range of population after 15 months. (Neither increased.) Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 20:59, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
My concern remains. It is all or none and I recommend none because of the very reason you provided - they are not official figures. The alternative is to embed two notes in the table – one for Denver and one for Carbonate – to indicate their subsequent 2021 population estimates, or alternately embed a single note covering both at the end of the first sentence in the second paragraph of the lead. Hwy43 (talk) 03:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
These comments provide the relevance of this section. If a reader is interested in the 2021 estimates, they can go to that article. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 18:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
P.S. You are one of the few users with a username shorter than mine.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 21:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone have any additional suggestions or can this article be elevated to featured list? Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 00:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

I received a dismissive reply to my last request; a request that is beyond reasonable and the entrenchment to not process it, which the exact same had been promptly addressed without question at another FL nomination, is very strange.

This list was not ready for nomination. I've never had to make well over two dozen suggestions before to bring it close to the standard that I and partner collaborators, such as Mattximus, have had to meet in the past for this type of list. And I still have the "Municipal government" section to review still as previously mentioned.

Anyway, I have had a difficult month both career-wise and family-wise, and little free time to keep my favourite hobby moving forward. Notwithstanding that difficulty and the concern above, I still intend to return, when stressful work commitments dissolve in as early as mid-November, to pass through the remaining section as I want to see this promoted. You’ll have to continue to be patient.

But in the meantime, my experience is that you are going to need more than two editors to support this nomination anyway, so neither busy Mattximus or I are standing in your way at this point. IIRC, four supports are required. The slow crawl on this nomination isn’t limited to you however. I nominated a list myself two months ago before I went mostly dark and not one editor has done a review yet, aside from the accessibility review done promptly. I am shocked two others haven’t piped up at yours yet and further shocked that zero have popped up at mine. I have never seen it like this in the past 10 years. You aren’t alone. Hwy43 (talk) 05:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Hwy43 and Mattximus: I did not mean to be dismissive, however your comments are suggestions, and as a significant contributor to Wikipedia myself, I do have the right to either accept or reject them. If you wish to alter this list to make it conform with your own lists, you are most welcome to do so.
I'm sorry you are having personal problems. As someone with a fatal disease, I can relate to your situation. Best of luck to you,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 04:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
I would better characterize as stresses/priorities but thanks and equally thanks for being candid yourself. I was most concerned with providing assurances that I will return. If you have no objection to me removing "incorporated" from "incorporated municipalities" I gladly will, but note it is not a conformance thing as asserted. It is rather precisely what I stated originally in #23 above. Hwy43 (talk) 06:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Given the backlog of featured list candidates, perhaps I should devote some time to reviewing lists myself. I much prefer writing articles to reviewing articles, but I've created over 100 lists, so I do have some expertise. I'm not as anal-retentive as some reviewers, but I could help out. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 19:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacksEdit

Nominator(s): Harper J. Cole (talk) 22:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

A list of every quarterback to start at least one game for the Los Angeles Chargers. I've added details on the reasons why the Chargers have changed their quarterbacks over the years, plus citations. Hopefully up to FL standard. Harper J. Cole (talk) 22:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "Kemp was waived" - what does this mean? Is there an appropriate link?
  • "Hadl was named the starter after playing well in relief" - what is relief? Is there an appropriate link?
  • "after playing well in relief in the in Week 12" - couple of stray words in there
  • "Leaf, the #2 overall pick the 1998 NFL draft" - think the word "in" is missing
  • "Whelihan was cut" - what does this mean? What did he get cut by?
  • "didn't re-sign" => "did not re-sign"
  • "Summary by quarterback" table is completely unsourced
  • No explanation on the last table of what "Comp", "Att", "Yds", etc mean
  • That's what I got! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks - I've gone through these changes. Harper J. Cole (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • The part you're not going to like, though: as per MOS:COLHEAD, those neat mid-table column headers aren't accessible. Screen readers do weird things with them, both because they're cells to which the top headers don't apply, and because you made them actual headers which is going to read weirdly for every cell below them. If you want to keep them, split the first table into three tables, otherwise they have to go.
  • The post-season table is missing column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! style="{{NFLPrimaryStyle|Los Angeles Chargers|border=2}};"|Season || style... becomes !scope=col style="{{NFLPrimaryStyle|Los Angeles Chargers|border=2}};"|Season (linebreak)!scope=col style....
  • The Summary by quarterback table was messed up, but it was quicker to just fix it then try to explain- you were trying to have some columns take 2 rows when the second row didn't exist.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks - changes now made. Harper J. Cole (talk) 21:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

List of all-time NBA win–loss recordsEdit

Nominator(s): Soulbust (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the FL criteria and I believe it it conveys critical NBA historical information in an easily navigable list that has context provided to ensure it is not just a list. Thank you Soulbust (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Drive-by commentEdit

Will do a full review later but put this here largely as a reminder to myself......

  • I would suggest putting a tooltip on "pct" in the same way that you have for "GP". I don't think it's at all obvious that "pct" means "percentage", especially given that the figure is shown as a decimal and not with a percentage symbol....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
  Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

More commentsEdit

  • Whole of the first paragraph is unsourced
  • " These records include wins and losses recorded by a team's playing time" - doesn't seem to make sense. Suggest " These records include wins and losses recorded during a team's playing time"
  Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "Additionally, the records do not count wins and losses" - I think you can ditch that first word
  Done trimmed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "Conversely, the Pelicans have played the least overall games" => "Conversely, the Pelicans have played the fewest overall games"
  Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Per MOS:COLOUR, colour alone should not be used to highlight something, for reasons of accessibility. A symbol should also be used.
  • The muddy yellow colour used to indicate "Team active in Play-in" isn't actually used in the table, although I guess maybe it might be used at some point?
Yeah, it's definitely in-use during that point in the season. Same with the playoffs section, in which "Most recent champion" would switch over to "Team active in playoffs", and read as such until the playoffs are over and a champion is crowned. Was wondering if this is alright? I figure it is, as long as its maintained. Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • How is "Team in playoff drought" defined? Are the Lakers really in a "drought" because they failed to reach the playoffs for one season? Seems harsh!
Yes, one year constitutes as a drought haha. Other articles/lists on Wikipedias, namely List of NFL franchise post-season droughts and List of NBA franchise post-season droughts list teams with 1 missed season as a drought. Also this NBC Sports article writes that "The New England Patriots ended a one-year playoff drought in 2021 by earning the AFC’s No. 6 seed with a 10-7 record," so it seems as sports media also thinks droughts can be just 1 year. Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • All the notes about teams previously playing in other cities (apart from the very convoluted not J :-)) are unsourced
  • "The Hawks would begin" - why not just "The Hawks began"?
  Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  • The table apparently goes up to 2022, but is sourced to the 2019–20 Official NBA Guide, published in 2019.......?
  • All the other tables are totally unsourced as far as I can see
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
I'll address the other comments later. But thank you for the comments/review. Much appreciated help Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Rank becomes !scope=col | Rank, with each header cell on its own line. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1 becomes !scope=row | 1, again with this header cell on its own line. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Snooker world rankings 1978/1979Edit

Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it includes all of the relevant information, with suitable sources. The layout closely follows that for Snooker world rankings 1977/1978 which was successfully nominated as a featured list. Thanks for your consideration. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:01, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I think my only comment is one which I raised at a previous FLC but I can't remember what the outcome was. How come five players with 0 total points made it into the rankings? There must be more players who did not reach the last 16 of any of the previous three World Championships than just those five, so why were those five players officially ranked and the others not.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, ChrisTheDude. This was discussed at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Snooker world rankings 1977/1978/archive1. I can still offer no explanation of how some players with 0 points were included. (I did think they should be omitted based on the Snooker Scene article where the rankings were published in 1978, but those players are listed in Chris Turner's Snooker Archive and in Kobylecky's The Complete International Directory of Snooker Players – 1927 to 2018). I've added "It is unclear why five players with 0 points were included in the rankings." to the text, which is equivalent to what happened for the 1977/1978 list article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1 ||data-sort-value="Reardon, Ray"... becomes !scope=row | 1 (linebreak)|data-sort-value="Reardon, Ray".... If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
    • Thanks, PresN. On the previous year's table I had used the player's name as the "primary cell", but I think that their ranking position should probably be the primary cell in the context of a ranking list. What do you think? Hopefully the changes I've made are OK. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
      • I agree with having the rank be the primary cell here. --PresN 12:59, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Support by Lee VilenskiEdit

Having a look through now. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

  • Hmm, the prose is fine - but the world rankings weren't just for the world championships - correct? They were also used for invitational events, right? Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure. The 1979 Masters (snooker), for example, had ten invited players but included the players ranked 11, 13, and 14; the 1979 Pontins Professional (eight players) included those ranked 9, 14, 23, and some unranked player called Steve Davis. It seems unlikely that UK-based players would turn down the chance to be included in either of these. If you have any examples, let me know. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
  • There is just one image - it has no description. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Do we need the boxes on the right? It looks like three infoboxes on top of each other. The info is in the table. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
    • I realised that they contain some uncited information, too. I can't think of any logic for including "top three", so removed them. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
  • It is unclear why five players with 0 points were included in the rankings. - I feel like it's likely active players who had competed in at least one of the three previous championships but lost in the opening round. I feel it would be better served as a note. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
    • I can't work out where the lower rankings ever came from. As noted by a reviewer for the previous season's list, "it just looks really odd to see someone like M.Owen listed there whereas someone like David Greaves, who also seems to have competed in two WSCs during the relevant period without achieving any ranking points, is not included". As no players with no points were included in the Snooker Scene list, I have no idea where else the lower places could derive from - possibly some OR by someone (Chris Turner? Cuetracker?) down along the line which has now made its way into reliable sources? Converted to a note. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks, Lee Vilenski. Let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

List of prime ministers of AustraliaEdit

Nominator(s): JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 09:25, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I have expanded and improved on the lead section, added citations for much of it, and moved around sentences. Australia is one of the few prominent countries whose list of leaders is not featured, so I am taking it here. Please ping me if you have any queries or requests. Thanks, JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 09:25, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Lead looks weird with the image at the left and the TOC forced to the upper right. Any reason for this?
The TOC was in the right when it started working on it, so I didn't change that. I have fixed that.
OK, now the TOC is being forced into the text of the lead, causing some sandwiching issues - why not just let it sit where it would go naturally? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I have fixed that. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 09:11, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "however the Prime Minister is still appointed by the Governor-General [....] which empowers the governor-general" - inconsistent capitalisation
Fixed.
  • So the PM chooses the G-G, who appoints the PM who chose him? Have I understood that correctly?
@ChrisTheDude: Drive-by reply. I think they follow a similar system as the UK so the PM is appointed by the Queen (or in this case her representative the Governor General) if they command the support of parliament. The Governor-General is appointed by the Queen on the recommendation of ministers. They don't have a fixed term but generally serve for about 5 years, the current one was nominated by the previous PM Scott Morrison. Cowlibob (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense, but at present the wording reads like the Governor-General appoints the PM, who then selects the Governor-General who appointed them in the first place. Does that make sense? Is there a way to re-word to avoid this suggestion of a paradox.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm unsure as what to do. To make it clear to you, the Queen technically selects the Governor-General, however the Prime Minister actually selects them and sends that to the Queen. I don't know how to make it clearer in the article, perhaps someone can give a suggestion? JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 09:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
@ChrisTheDude: Maybe the following suggestion with supporting refs of course. "The role of Prime Minister is not mentioned in the Constitution of Australia, however the Prime Minister is still appointed by the Governor-General who under Section 64 of the constitution has the executive power to appoint ministers of state. The Governor-General is appointed by the Queen of Australia based on the advice of the Prime Minister. They do not have a fixed term but generally serve for five years." Cowlibob (talk) 17:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Great way to put it. Inserted into article with an extra citation for the last part. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 23:18, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
  • "however, of those who have served as the nation's prime minister, three died in office" - I think all the words between the commas here are redundant
Fixed, that was a result of moving sentences around to fit better.
  • "six resigned following leadership spills (John Gorton, Bob Hawke, Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, Tony Abbott, and Malcolm Turnbull)" - Hawke and Rudd are randomly not linked here (although I have now noticed that both are linked the second time they are mentioned
Not sure what happened there, fixed.
  • "(Joseph Cook in 1914, Gough Whitlam in 1975, whose dismissal caused a constitutional crisis, and Malcolm Fraser in 1983)" - Whitlam randomly not linked
Fixed.
  • All the people who are mentioned multiple times in the lead should probably just be referred to by their surname on the second mention per MOS:SURNAME
Fixed.
  • "The prime ministership of Frank Forde, who was Prime Minister for 8 days in 1945" => "The prime ministership of Frank Forde, who was Prime Minister for eight days in 1945"
  • The table says he served for seven days, not eight
Fixed.
  • Source for note a?
Fixed.
@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for your feedback; all fixed! JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
@ChrisTheDude: I think I've fixed all of your suggestions, if you have anything else, please let me know. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 03:31, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
  • The photo of the Lodge is low quality and a bad crop, can we find another? Maybe one of multiple prime ministers together GeebaKhap (talk) 07:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
    @GeebaKhap: Got a better quality image from the same source and updated the image. I don't know why it was cropped in that way, but that is fixed now. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 22:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • The forced with "width:100%" in the table isn't necessary and adds white space, including around the portraits.
That was how it was when I started working, reduced to 60%.
  • "with thirty-one people serving in the position since the office was created in 1901" is weird to have as a subordinate clause; just have it as its own sentence.
Done.
  • Replace however with but in the second sentence (currently a comma splice)
Done.
  • "the length of time a Parliament serves for" may be better as "the length of time a Parliament is elected for"
Done.
  • The second paragraph is a bit weird in that it's worded to give all the exceptions to when PMs didn't serve for three years. This misses Deacon's first term of 216 days, Watson's 113 day term, Reid, Deakon's second, Hughes, Bruce, Scullin, and others whose terms are also not multiples of three years. I think it'd be better to present the reasons for leaving on their own.
I added a group for the first few, the others either happened due to being the winner or loser in a spill or had other weird exits happen that don't fit in with anything else. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 23:38, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
  • The non-consecutive terms are irrelevant to the current officeholder; why are these statements combined with a semicolon?
Done.
  • It says Menzies served two terms, but didn't he serve eight, even if not consecutive?
Reworded to say 'over two non-consecutive periods'.
  • Columns need to be made sortable
Done.
  • Please avoid WP:SMALLTEXT. There's no need to shrink the dates or ministries.
@Reywas92: There are quite a few examples of smalltext on the page. Should just the dates and ministries be enlarged or the electorates as well? JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 03:29, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
@Reywas92: I've removed all of the smalltext, except in a few places where it should be kept. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 22:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Reywas92Talk 22:14, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Sent the former to AFD, and proposed a merger for the latter. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 03:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
AFD has closed as keep. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Done some of them, will do a bit more later. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 23:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

All done, as far as I can tell. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 22:32, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Done. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. You're mostly good here, with the !scope=col in each header cell, but if the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
Done. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | align="center" |Sir [[Edmund Barton]] becomes !scope=row align="center" |Sir [[Edmund Barton]], and you'll need to make that cell be on its own line in the wikicode (because of the !). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead. Normally the first cell of each row is the "header", but the way you split Billy Hughes into three rows makes that dicey.
@PresN: However I am doing is not working, diff [1]. Can you possibly have a look and tell me what I'm doing incorrectly. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Like this. --PresN 12:58, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for doing that! JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 22:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
  • I don't usually deal with colors, but some of these background color/text color are not accessible- the white on fluorescent green is particularly unreadable, but the white on light blue for the Fusion Liberal Party is also no good. [2] says that just flipping the text to black, if you must have that color green and pale blue, would be fine.
Done. I've left the colours as they are besides the text, as those colours are defined in a template and are used for the parties in other locations. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Also, consider doing what List of presidents of the United States did for this issue, and make the colors be a bar inside of the "party" column instead of a background to the first "number" cell; this would also let you make the first cell of each row be the row header.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 01:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Support from AKEdit

  • Link governor-general.
  • "full length of their unless they lose the majority" → Full length of their what?
  • Lots of duplinks in the lead (House of Representatives, Deakin, Fisher)
  • "the Guardian" in the refs should have "The" capitalized.
  • The 44th Parliament now has an article and should be linked.
  • Should the publishers be Museum of Australian Democracy in place of apm-origin.moadoph.gov.au and Parliamentary Education Office instead of peo.gov.au.?
  • That's all I got. AryKun (talk) 16:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
    @AryKun: All done! JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Okay, support on the basis of prose from me. AryKun (talk) 08:49, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

List of municipalities in QuebecEdit

Nominator(s): Hwy43 (talk) 06:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

After a two-year hiatus and an arduous effort on this one due to the number of municipalities (1,231!) and the French-language barrier within sources, here is the 13th and final nomination in the set of Canada's 13 "lists of municipalities in province/territory". The end-goal is in sight. Upon bringing all 13 lists of municipalities for every province and territory of Canada to featured status, a featured topic nomination will be pursued. The standardized format from the 12 other featured lists (British Columbia, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Alberta, Yukon, Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Prince Edward Island) has been carried forward. Suggestions received from the previous 11 nominations have been taken into account for this nomination. All suggestions welcome and thanks for your input. Hwy43 (talk) 06:11, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)Edit

Good to see this concluded!

  • Row scopes should be like !scope=row, not |scope=row, which makes it a "header" cell for the row in the wikicode. Note that this means you'll need a line break after the first cell so that any "header" formatting doesn't carry over to the next cell(s).
  • Done
  • Col scopes are for the top of the table, which you have, but then you also have them for the summary at the bottom of the table, which isn't right. Screen reader software uses the col scopes to read out what column/row a cell is, so having extras makes it messed up. It's hard to explain in words what the change should be, but

|- class="sortbottom" align="center" style="background-color:#f2f2f2" | !scope="col" align="center"| '''Total regional county municipalities''' |{{change|3909607|3738625|dec=1|align=center|invert=on|bold=on|bgcolour=#f2f2f2}} |scope="col" align="center"| '''{{nts|553765.38}}''' |scope="col" align="center"| '''{{Pop density|3909607|553765.38|km2|prec=2}}'''

should be

|- class="sortbottom" align="center" style="background-color:#f2f2f2" | !scope="row" align="center"| '''Total regional county municipalities''' |{{change|3909607|3738625|dec=1|align=center|invert=on|bold=on|bgcolour=#f2f2f2}} |align="center"| '''{{nts|553765.38}}''' |align="center"| '''{{Pop density|3909607|553765.38|km2|prec=2}}'''

and the same for the second row.

  • Done
  • When a header column spans multiple columns, like in !scope="col" colspan=5| [[Canada 2021 Census|2021 Census of Population]] at the top, it should be !scope=colgroup instead of col. Same for rowgroup and rowspans, but you don't have any.
  • Done
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 13:27, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you, PresN. I believe I have properly addressed all three comments. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 19:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments from MattximusEdit

  • I finally got around to reading this list, and it is easily one of the strongest I've ever reviewed, and I've reviewed quite a few over the years. The maps are just superb, the format follows previous lists which allows little room for improvement. Everything is up to date and well cited. The only change I could see would be a brief sentence describing why the Cree villages and Naskapi municipalities nearly all have 0 population. What is the purpose then of the municipality? That is honestly all the suggestions I can find. Could this be why so few are reviewing? There is very little to even knit-pick.
  • Strong support for this list. Mattximus (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
    Thank you, Mattximus. The mostly unpopulated Cree and Naskapi villages baffles me. I haven’t found why such is the case, the purpose of them despite being unpopulated, etc. Answers to such may exist on the web but likely in French so more difficult for an English editor to find. Thanks for the review. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 04:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

List of Music Bank Chart winners (2016)Edit

Nominator(s): EN-Jungwon (talk) and Jal11497 (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

This is the fourth Music Bank related list that I am nominating. I started working on it back in April and now I believe that it is ready to become a featured list. -- EN-Jungwon 16:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • "Both singles spent a total of ten weeks at number making Twice the act with the most wins of the year" - as you literally just mentioned in the last sentence that each single spent five weeks at number one, I think this could be expressed more elegantly as "The total of ten weeks which the singles spent at number one made Twice the act with the most wins of the year"
    • Done.
  • "The group ranked four singles at number one in 2016 achieved with "Sing for You", "Monster", "Lotto" and "For Life", the most of any act in 2016" => "The group achieved four number ones in 2016, the most of any act during the year: "Sing for You", "Monster", "Lotto" and "For Life"."
    • Done.
  • "Member Baekhyun along with Miss A member Bae Suzy won their first Music Bank trophy for their collaboration song "Dream"." - specify first solo trophy, as Baekhyun had previously won as a group member (and Bae Suzy may have done too, I haven't checked previous years' articles)
  • "A number of acts achieved their first number ones in 2016." - would this not make more sense being placed before the previous sentence?
    • Done.
  • ""Monster" by Exo (pictured) earned the highest score of 2016, with 11,570 points at the June 17th broadcast." => ""Monster" by Exo (pictured) earned the highest score of 2016, with 11,570 points on the June 17th broadcast."
    • Done.
  • The singer called Bae Suzy in the prose is only called Suzy in the image caption and in the table - any reason for this?
    • Done.
      • She's still just recorded as Suzy in the table.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
    @ChrisTheDude all done. Apologies for taking over a month. I had completely forgotten about this until I saw your edit on my watchlist. -- EN-Jungwon 12:54, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments by RunningTiger123Edit

  • No reason to bold "Music Bank Chart" (MOS:BOLDAVOID)
  • "had hosted the show and continued to do so till" → "had hosted the show; they continued to do so until" (better flow, better word choice)
  • "on November 4 and the following week" → "on November 4, and the following week" (avoid run-on sentence)
  • Link to Exo should be moved to its first occurrence in lead
  • "'Making A New Ending For This Story'" → "'Making a New Ending for This Story'" (occurs twice)
  • Images need alt text

RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:32, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@RunningTiger123 all done. Thanks for the review. -- EN-Jungwon 07:54, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

SupportRunningTiger123 (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Nominations for removalEdit

List of governors of West VirginiaEdit

Notified (through ping): Golbez, Staxringold (both 2009 reviewers) and (via talk page notice) WikiProject West Virginia

I am nominating this for featured list removal because the list itself is unreferenced. It's been an FL for a long time but even back in 2009, the list content should have been referenced, but it wasn't. Schwede66 18:58, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Fully agree this shouldn't be an FL as it stands, but this should be low-hanging fruit as far as improvement is concerned. @Kavyansh.Singh:, this is an area you've worked in, any interest in taking this on? Vanamonde (Talk) 19:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
The list relies on general references. Just as we don't need to cite every single sentence, we shouldn't need to cite every single row, when the references handle that. That said, it's fallen apart a bit in the last decade ('still living' table, party affiliation count, useless addition of lifespans and time in office, it's fallen well behind standards in other governor articles, etc.), so I won't necessarily vote to keep. But I will defend its use of referencing. --Golbez (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Ok, let me check whether I've got that right. Say I wanted to confirm the term for William E. Stevenson (March 4, 1869 – March 4, 1871). Which general reference do I look at to do so? Because I cannot see that there is a reference for his term. And if indeed there isn't, are you saying that's good enough? Schwede66 01:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
There are two general references, both contain the info you seek. Especially the first one, which if you had clicked it would have plainly offered the info you wanted. Are you complaining about the content of a citation you didn't bother clicking? --Golbez (talk) 03:29, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Well, maybe there is a reference in that list that confirms the term details (March 4, 1869 – March 4, 1871). The one that you pointed me to didn't; it merely confirms the years, which isn't good enough (at least in my books). It's also not good enough to expect a reader to go hunting in a long list of references. Schwede66 03:52, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Ummm. So, you saw that there were links in that page, right? That will take you to the specific info on a specific governor? Are you implying that it's too much to expect our readers to click in a source to get more info? Should we use anchors to cite the specific words of a page, for those too unfortunate to know how to use their browser to search for words? You've been here a long time so I can't chalk this up to trolling or ignorance, so exactly how are you getting that it's improper to do anything but hand-feed our readers the sources? Your argument against expecting them to click would seem to remove any offline citations, since that would be impossible for them to see. --Golbez (talk) 05:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Maybe you should read more carefully what I'm talking about. What you talk about in your reply is something completely different. Schwede66 05:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
"The one you pointed me to didn't, it merely confirms the years." Yes, and if you then clicked on the link labeled "William E. Stevenson" on that page, it would take you to the dates, as well as all other info on his term. --Golbez (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Incidentally I'm rather amused that the article for your example not only doesn't cite his lifespan directly, but the only web citation in the page doesn't include his birthdate without clicking a second link. --Golbez (talk) 05:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
A chunk of the introductory text discusses the ages of governors at appointment, I don't think its unreasonable for a reader to expect to be able to verify this without clicking through to article pages where the lifespans may or may not be cited. Likewise dates of office. The general reference mentioned above is no longer live and the archived version covers only pre-2009 governors. We are currently telling our readers this is one of our best lists - Dumelow (talk) 06:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I ... didn't say they should ... okay, you know what, y'all have fun. I'm not defending the list, so I have no more purpose here. Y'all burn whatever straw men you need. --Golbez (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I've just cited the whole list to the Blue Book, and linked to the legislature's download section for the Blue Book. Might need a little work—I don't usually use this particular template, and the publication format is unusual. But it was pretty easy to find the source—the Blue Book was the first thing that I thought of, and it came up quickly in a Google search. The list on pages 328 and 329 covers just about everything in the table, except perhaps the dates of birth and death—which are presumably cited in each governor's individual article. As for the article "falling apart", someone does seem to have made major improvements to the table recently, so that's a plus. P Aculeius (talk) 02:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Excellent! That's better. Whether the exact life range of each governor needs to be even part of this list is something that a FL review can establish (I'd say it's irrelevant detail but others may see it differently). And if it is decided that the life range should be part of the table, I'm sure there will be discussion on whether that needs referencing (my hunch is that it ought to be). Schwede66 03:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I think it's useful to have, so I would keep it. I don't think each entry needs to have a separate citation for this one detail, provided that readers can locate the information in more detail from the individual articles about the governors, whose names are linked in the table itself. So as long as they have their own articles, there's no need for repetitive citations in just one column. P Aculeius (talk) 05:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  • What is the "Years are rounded" note intended to convey? CMD (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Good question. Introduced last month with this edit. Makes no sense. Schwede66 05:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
If anyone looks at the version of the page before someone began revising the table in September—a sequence of edits very visible and at the top of the page history, so I don't see how it could be missed—they'd see that the previous version used fractions for partial years—"1½", "2½". Presumably the editor who revised the table thought that this was unnecessary: you can either state whole years or years and months—which also need to be rounded off, unless you want to add the exact number of days for partial months. I would guess that noting "years are rounded" was meant to forestall someone from conscientiously adding fractions back in to the table for precision. P Aculeius (talk) 18:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Yes. However, the note is (and has always been) with the column of the term dates. The term length is the column to the right of it. Schwede66 20:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
It was probably misplaced, and should have been on the following line. That said, it seems unnecessary, so I've removed it. P Aculeius (talk) 23:31, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by 30 RockEdit

Notified: Jamie jca, WikiProject Television, WikiProject Awards

I've been working hard to update this list's formatting, but there are some major gaps in sourcing, and it does not appear to cover all awards the show received. Therefore, the list currently fails FLCR 3a and 3b. I'm still working on this and I'd like to get this back to an FL-appropriate state, but since I can't guarantee that in a reasonable amount of time, I feel I should nominate the list for removal. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

  • I really don't think this should be demoted that easily. I found a website covering all the Emmy Awards that the show was nominated for from the official Television Academy website. [3] Birdienest81talk 09:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Emmys aren't hard, but a quick scroll through IMDb's awards page shows there are a lot of awards that should be added. Even for the currently included awards, many later years are missing. The work to source all of those will take time, which is why I'm starting this nomination in case I can't find sources quickly. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@RunningTiger123: Do you plan on returning to this list? I see you haven't edited it since this nomination, and while no one has really commented on this nomination, if there are major issues and no editing after months then it should be delisted. --PresN 01:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I don't have as much time to edit at this time of the year, and I'm focused more on other articles right now. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:19, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • I may try to attempt to salvage the list, probably starting tonight or latest Wednesday. I am trying to work on getting the 50th, 54th, 55th, 57th Oscars lists ready for FLC, but I don't play on submitting those until maybe 2024 or 2025. Also, may do work attempting to get 2020 World Series and/or Super Bowl LVI to GA status. Bear in mind, this is a big, big maybe.
--Birdienest81talk 20:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)