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A barnstar for youEdit

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Because you are always kind and patient even in contentious situations. Long overdue!
Littleolive oil (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Awww Littleolive oil, that is so sweet of you. I'm a bit embarrassed, and at a lack of words here. In some ways it feels like ages since we talked, in others it feels like yesterday. I guess that's the way it is for friends, even wiki ones. I think you deserve this for yourself more than me - but I am truly thankful. Bless you. — Ched (talk) 10:16, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Ched this is so deserved. You are one of the admins I count on for kindness and especially decorum and common sense. No pressure :O). My interest in Wikipedia has waned given some of the losses we've suffered. I've also had a poor connection for several months as I traveled-couldn't even tether to my phone. I hope you've been well. Littleolive oil (talk) 14:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

October thanksEdit

October songs
Fall colours reflected in pond, Oberauroff.jpg

Thank you for improving articles in October! - Today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned - as if blocked wasn't enough), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - click on songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda, but I'm sorry to say that I haven't really felt up to editing much lately. Hopefully that will change soon. — Ched (talk) 11:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
no pressure, - just sad sad that we ban people who have time and are willing, - so strange --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
today: memories in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Significant day in many respects, - remember 2010? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Sorry - you'd have to be more specific on 2010. If by "significant" you mean something on wiki - no, not really. I don't carry that stuff around with me anymore, it got to be too heavy on my heart. — Ched (talk) 00:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Grace Sherwood who was pardoned 300 years later, but the author wasn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Ahh - I remember those days: sad and angry times. Haven't talked to him in a while - will have to drop a "Holiday greetings" to him. — Ched (talk) 16:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Good idea! - That was the first time I witnessed how an editor is treated in a way he or she only wants to leave. It happened now to Doug, and LouisAlain, and every time it happens I wonder if Wikipedia can afford loosing content editors. I was in Paris, and passed cafés, and wondered if some LouisAlain added information as an ip because as a named user, he is no longer welcome on the site "anybody" can edit, allegedly. He gave us soooo much. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
... or Dark Clouds of Joy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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See: Chinese covid coverup 8 support v 9 oppose. The closing rational makes it obvious that this was nothing more than a supervote[1]. Pitiful; even more so coming from an experienced editor. — Ched (talk) 04:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Not too surprising, though. I wish it were, but...Intothatdarkness 17:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Hey @Intothatdarkness:, always good to see you out and about. Yea, I agree; it should be surprising, but it isn't. So sad the amount of "political" editing that goes on here .. but I know it's nothing new. — Ched (talk) 01:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

December thanksEdit

December songs
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Thank you for improving article quality in December. If you like Advent music, check this out. If you like Christmas music and wishes, watch my user talk until 27 December ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

And thank you Gerda for everything you do here. Not really doing much this month, but maybe next month I can ramp it up a bit. I hope you and your family have a wonderful and Merry Christmas - and a great New Year in 2022. — Ched (talk) 01:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
look at the "songs" - now the last, Herrscher des Himmels, erhöre das Lallen, BWV 248 III, shown on the Main page, and here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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Wow .. well Thank You Sdkb. I don't know as I'd ever be chosen, but I do appreciate the gesture. Very much appreciated. — Ched (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Oh joy ...Edit

another Did not, did too venue on Wikipedia. You know - cause we don't have enough places here. — Ched (talk) 20:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

There seems to be the notion that the more you talk about it the more you will learn. When in fact it's just more of the same usually with out enough extensive context to come to a fair position or decision. Until we design a system that explores context in all of its many incarnations we cannot, not will not, but cannot consistently deal fairly with people. I was lucky enough to experience an arbitration many years ago in which the arbs took weeks to investigate allegations. I didn't realize how fortunate I was until recently. Most arbs do not have that kind of time. As we deal more and more with editors with long histories the more we need to be able to understand those histories and to place our concerns in context of that information. Another venue to deal with admins! One becomes so weary. Littleolive oil (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Well I'm sure it's all with the best intentions - but as you say Olive - one does indeed become weary. Still - thinking positive, so I hope you have a wonderful 2022. — Ched (talk) 03:27, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
I always tend to believe people mean well.:O) Littleolive oil (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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A simple message from me to youEdit

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I appreciate you so much, Ched. You're quiet thoughtfulness is a welcome reprieve from the noise of life for so many who interact with you here. I will forever cherish your gift to me at a time when I needed it so much. Your amazingly bright Song has left its impact on the surface of my heart and is eternally tied to the musical strings of my Life as a part of my Song. I am so grateful our paths have crossed and my Hope is for a prosperous and healthy year ahead for you and yours. 💞 ARoseWolf 16:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much ARoseWolf, you have no idea how much this means to me. While I've grown weary of the battles so prevalent on wiki, and become somewhat private in my efforts here - there are a few very good people (like yourself) that I cherish deeply. To know I've touched someone in a positive way means more to me than I could say with words. Your own gift of friendship puts you in some very rare company of the folks I know here. Thank you so much. — Ched (talk) 08:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
The highest honor I could hope to achieve is being called friend. I'm overly private about most details but I probably share more than I should. Still, its a genuine attempt to relate and be related with. No matter what we do as humans we are always trying to maintain relevance. You matter to this encyclopedia and the community as an important part of it. This idea that a human's unique POV in their approach to how things are written here doesn't matter is rubbish. NPOV doesn't mean we all have to see things the same way. Yours is a beautiful view of things and I appreciate you. --ARoseWolf 18:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
ARoseWolf First my apologies for the delay in my reply - health and weather issues haven't been the best. I'm honored to consider us friends. I'll try to drop you a line in the next day or two and introduce myself a bit less formally. :-). Your kindness is amazing, and I can't overstate how much it touches me. Talk soon, and best always, — Ched (talk) 12:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
No apology necessary. I disappear for days at a time usually doing something of immediate import to life here. I so look forward to hearing from you when I do. --ARoseWolf 14:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

in friendshipEdit

January songs
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in friendship

Thank you for being around! - Happy new year, in friendship! - One of my pics was on the Main page, DYK, and even made it to the stats. - In this young year, I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

And thank you Gerda for everything you do here as well - especially showing such friendship to me. Your picture is lovely, one of my favorites in that list I looked at very recently. I also wish you a wonderful 2022 as well. — Ched (talk) 08:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thank you! I made a link to my new year's resolution, first for MarnetteD who's leaving (but will keep reading) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
You've been gifted to see and hear many beautiful things - I appreciate you sharing them here. TY Gerda. — Ched (talk) 22:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
February songs
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my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

stand and sing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I took the pic in 2009. It was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Not youEdit

I'm so sorry, your emails came through, I'm just desperately trying to remember my password. I think I hid it from myself. I don't keep up my email and it's been about two months since I've checked them. I'll remember it. Just wanted you to know it isn't you. You can delete this if you want. --ARoseWolf 13:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

no problem @ARoseWolf: - nothing important, just a few tidbits that offer some insight into who I am. — Ched (talk) 14:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Oh, tidbits and insight, even more reason to remember. It's all important. I'll look at it and respond. I just wanted to let you know that I saw it. --ARoseWolf 14:37, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Oh, by the way - I did go back and check to see if your real-life name was mentioned there .. and it is a very beautiful name by the way. — Ched (talk) 14:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I wasn't born with that name but it was my quasi-legal name growing up (long story I'll tell you by email in my response). I've had opportunities to change it but I associate more life experiences with it than any name I may have had before I was adopted by my uncle and aunt. Plus, I've heard just about every possible pronunciation imaginable. It makes for a good conversation starter. --ARoseWolf 14:54, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Always preciousEdit

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. I cherish working with you, 10 years ago when we faced a difficult situation, and now that we silently improve songs' articles. This little light ... - my next: Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, thinking of my mother. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I noticed that you gave me precious in response 10 years ago, - you could use the same code if you want to do that again, - I learned the use of BASEPAGENAME today, - about time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry I'm not up to editing right now - but the memories are very dear to me. — Ched (talk) 03:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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March thanksEdit

March songs
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Thank you for improving articles in March. Music if you like. Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I haven't done much of anything recently - but thank you for the kind thoughts. — Ched (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
doesn't matter, really - Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Micro 4/3 Lens Mount ArticleEdit

I noticed you did some minor updates on this article fairly recently, so I was hoping you might provide feedback on my suggestion (in the Talk section) that the article needs a pretty comprehensive re-write. And, of course seeing as you know this topic already maybe you would even help or lead the re-write.

I'd love your feedback, positive or negative. I'm proactively reaching out to recent editors of the article to get a group consensus before undertaking any editing of the article.

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April songs
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April: Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for being around --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight, Symphony with war and peace in the subtitle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!Edit

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For your superb work on Ice Station Zebra. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul have brought renewed interest to this old, forgotten film. If it wasn’t for your improvements, we wouldn’t have much to go on. Thank you again for your commitment to quality film articles. Viriditas (talk) 08:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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May musicEdit

May songs
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I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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June songsEdit

19 June songs
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My song collection in June is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 20 June 2022 (UTC)