Models and Models Edit

Good afternoon Certes. Looking at your Discussion page, you seem a reasonable chap so here goes. You have insisted on including a link to Model (person) within the Model (disambiguation) page. That disambiguation page however contains only peripheral terms such as titles of songs, or completely unrelated terms such as MODEL - Movement for Democracy in Liberia.

In my view, the Model (person) link would sit more logically in the Model page, which already lists links to artist's model, fashion model, and role model and provides context. Take a look at the current version of the Model page, now changed following your remarks, and let me know what you think.

If you agree, then please delete in the Model (disambiguation) page the links for Model (person) and Model (logic). If you disagree, then do nothing and I will live with it.

Please mind that I am currently travelling and may not be able to answer immediately. (talk) 12:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The purpose of the disambiguation page is to guide the reader wanting information on one of the many topics called "model" to the most appropriate article. Many of them will be looking for Model (person), which averages 1,138 views per day, compared with 204 for the next most popular article Model theory and just 179 for Model itself.[1]. The person topic easily passes the inclusion criteria, and there's even an argument for promoting it to the top of the page as the topic most likely to be sought. Certes (talk) 18:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, agreed. However on the same basis, would you support removing the Model (logic) link from the disambiguation page? It has only 52 visits per day, and sits oddly with all the song titles etc., and is already linked on the Model page in appropriate context with abstract models.2A00:23C6:54D3:DA01:8474:DA53:3154:39B4 (talk) 19:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No minimum number of visits is needed. Articles on obscure topics such as Model, Masovian Voivodeship and MODEL get less than one visit per day but still qualify for an entry as long as their subject remains notable. The only argument I can see for removal is that Model (logic) is a subtopic of Model and is dealt with there. However, it has a separate article which contains a far more detailed treatment than is appropriate for the one-line summary in Model. It seems helpful to allow the reader to go straight to that page rather than having to find the link within a broader article. Certes (talk) 19:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Until a few months ago, the disambiguation article was organised as you are arguing now: a long list of links on diverse subjects containing the word "model", ranging from German field marshal Walter Model to MODEL - Movement for Democracy in Liberia to fashion models and mathematical modelling theories. However, more recently someone (not me) removed all the physical/abstract model-related links and put them into the current Model article, and added a chapter on General Model Theory to wrap it all together. Next, I think, someone sneaked the links for Model (logic) and Model (person) back into the disambiguation article. This confusing back-and-forth will never settle down until the criteria for inclusion are set out in the disambiguation header. Any ideas? I have one... (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes: let's see what the experts at WikiProject Disambiguation have to say. Certes (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You and I are the experts now. I am making a change to the disambiguation header, and removing Model (logic). See if you like that version. If not, revert. But think about it first. (talk) 20:37, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have asked for a third opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. Certes (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

General Model Edit

Good morning Certes. You have deleted the infamous World War II general Walter Model from the Model (disambiguation) page, and have commented that he belongs to the Model (surname) page. You are being inconsistent. Above, you have refused deleting the Model (person) and Model (logic) links in the Model (disambiguation) page, even though they already exist as links on the generel Model page. Can you please explain yourself? It is difficult to tidy up Wikipedia articles with such erratic decisions. Thank you. (talk) 09:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia's normal practice is to list people sharing a name on a separate page, following the guideline Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Names. The essay Wikipedia:Name pages#Compared to disambiguation pages has further explanation. If you feel that those principles are wrong, let's discuss the matter more widely, perhaps at the disambiguation wikiproject. If you agree with the guidelines but feel that the general is an exceptional case, please explain why, ideally at Talk:Model (disambiguation) or the wikiproject. Either way, I hope we can find a consensus about what to include on the disambiguation page. Certes (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Road marker IN NH Edit

 Template:Road marker IN NH has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 19:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Road marker sandbox Edit

 Template:Road marker sandbox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 19:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleting Mind model Edit

Good morning Certes. I need your advice on deleting a superfluous Wikipedia article, to wit, Mind model. Please take a look at my argument on Talk:Mind model, and advise me whether a specific deletion template exists that I should be using to alert other editors to the deletion request. Furthermore I would value your opinion. 2A00:23C6:54D3:DA01:ACAD:F546:A9E3:D423 (talk) 06:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can nominate the page for deletion by following the AfD process. (Disambiguation pages are also nominated for deletion at AfD, even though they're not technically articles.) However, although the term is not widely used, the collection of links there does seem useful. As partial title matches, they're unsuitable for Model (disambiguation) but might perhaps be usefully merged into Model itself, with Mind model becoming a redirect to there. That might be a good alternative to deletion here. Certes (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, I have followed the instructions and added a tag. As for your suggestion of moving the links to Model: I instead suggest splitting up the links to two other pages, because the Mind model page is confusing two distinct topics: Conceptual models (models of external reality, created by the mind) and Mental models (models of how the mind works, as proposed by psychologists). Let us see what others say. (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have seen your changes and they seem fine to me. As an administrator, do you have a tool whereby you can efficiently replace, all over Wikipedia, any "Mind Model" links with "Model" links, given that "Mind Model" is a non-word? (talk) 19:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not an administrator but there are no incoming links to Mind model from articles. (A hatnote on Mental model links there, via a redirect per WP:INTDAB.) Indeed, any significant incoming links would show the page to be used and useful and cause us to doubt its deletion. Certes (talk) 20:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have had my mind changed on Mind model and propose a consensus. Could you please go to the Mind model Talk page and comment? Thanks. 2A00:23C6:54D3:DA01:C9:F9D1:7093:274A (talk) 09:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge Conceptual model (computer science) into Domain model? Edit

No rest for the wicked. I now have the article Conceptual model (computer science) in my sights. The article itself states that Conceptual model (computer science) is a synonym for Domain model. That being so, Conceptual model (computer science) can be subsumed into Domain model, The Conceptual Model article has not been fixed for years despite a request tag dating from 2015, and it is consulted only 20 times a day compared to 200 times a day for Domain Model. What do you think? And is there a Merger Tag or some standard protocol to initiate the merging process? (talk) 15:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes: there is relevant information at Wikipedia:Merging. Certes (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done, thanks. (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move discussion Edit

There is currently a Request Move discussion about William IV. Since you participated in the previous move discussion involving William IV, I thought you might want to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]